Dragoons (generals/Line battle admins please read)

[Reykjavikdragon]

A quick note first: This is not a rage post but it is being done at the request of my dragoons and from the comments on the way dragoons are used from some other regiments. But I'm not speaking on behalf of any dragoon regiment appart from my own company as we are tired of beign used as something were not.

Dragoons​

1. Dragoons are Mounted Infantry/skirmishers, so please don't send us charging of to suicide against cannons (we have carbines as well hence we can shoot aka, we are higley mobile reserves.) and line regiments, what is supposed to happen is that we are used to bolster the line in places where it needs to be strengthend and to protect the flanks. So when using dragoons for this tell the commander to ride to the objective, and to defend it/assist the other line regiments there against the enemy assault.

2. You can also use dragoons to flank, dismount and say hold a hill or a forest and wait until reinforcements arrive (we can't hold out for ever so send reinforcements quickly) to deny it to the enemy and to give your army a strong point to defend and a place to posistion the artillery.

3. To commence an supprise attack on the rear or against small groups of men (only as a last resort) which we should do mounted on horse back.

Those are the two main things that dragoons do and we are very good at it so use us wisley and dont pit us up against large infantry regiments or send us on a suicide charge as to be frank, were getting fed up of it.

Also I would like to see what the admins think of this (please dont rage its just a suggestion):

For dragoons to be able to split into separate squads when attacking/holding an area so say when attacking a line say 5 going left 5 going right and meeting up in the middle and if needs be should the enemy become to strong retreating as the squads and then later on regrouping?

Some main points about my suggestion:
- To be done at the commanding officers lesiure
- 5 minimum per squad
- Each separate squadron operating differentally:
              - One dismounting and acting as skirmishers
              - One staying mounted and charging, laying in ambush.
-  If the dragoons are given another order, the squadrons shall immediately regroup and from there on the commanding officer can decide if he wants to use squadrons to execute his next order or not

Thank you for taking time to read this and I hope that this may affect the way in which dragoons are used in the future.​

 

[Armored]

Well, I agree. Dragoons are not heavy cavalry. I honestly don't like the fact they're treated as such, I don't think I've ever seen a group of dragoons dismount and fight as a mobile line regiment or skirmishers, and they'd be a pain in the ass to us infantrymen, but I'd diffidently like to see more of it.

 

[Reykjavikdragon]

Well, I agree. Dragoons are not heavy cavalry. I honestly don't like the fact they're treated as such, I don't think I've ever seen a group of dragoons dismount and fight as a mobile line regiment or skirmishers, and they'd be a pain in the ass to us infantrymen, but I'd diffidently like to see more of it.

Wait until you see the 77y Dragoons, then you are really going to hate us (unless enemy cav gets us first)  .

 

[PolishSTALIN]

As the Lt of a Dragoon regiment I feel the same.  But i do have to say that the FK can sometimes can pull off being a form of heavy cav when our team doesn't have any other cav, its risky us but if you train with the saber for a good month you can pull it off.





From 1st Lt Pilawa,
On Leave

 

[Dragoon_Yognaut]

I fully agree with Dragon, of course. I strongly advice the commanders of the LBs to read this and think about how you use dragoons in the future. Thank you.

And also Stalin, we know that dragoons can be used as good cav, but the thing is that it´s like eating a sandwich with cheese and butter scotch, and only eating the cheese. Why just eat the cheese when you can enjoy the whole sandwich?

 

[Reykjavikdragon]

@ Polish stalin: you know the small skirmish thing do you know how many regiments there will be taking part in a battle and if so do you think my suggestion might work in that?

@ everyone, Thanks for the feed back either via steam or tw.

 

[PolishSTALIN]

Because the FK doesn't Eat Sandwiches we eat Manwiches jk, i never said I disagreed I was just saying that you shouldn't discourage using Dragoons as heavy cav if you need them.

P.s. We really do eat Manwiches.


From 1st Lt Pilawa,
On Leave

 

[PolishSTALIN]

@ Polish stalin: you know the small skirmish thing do you know how many regiments there will be taking part in a battle and if so do you think my suggestion might work in that?

@ everyone, Thanks for the feed back either via steam or tw.

Right now I have a count of 5 or 6 but im working on getting more.  And the 1st event will be in a week or so when we get all the rules to all the regiment leaders.

 

[Reykjavikdragon]

loving the comparison guys  , and thanks for the info on the skirmish battles PolishStalin much appreciated.

 

[5arge]

P.s. We really do eat Manwiches.

 

[Reykjavikdragon]

P.s. We really do eat Manwiches.

facepalm, okay back on topic now from that small detour.

 

[currieboy]

How about giving Dragoons really weak horses? That way a charge is gonna get slaughtered and it makes it less viable. Maybe a bit slower to?

 

[PolishSTALIN]

loving the comparison guys  , and thanks for the info on the skirmish battles PolishStalin much appreciated.

Dont thank me, im just head of Advance and Historical battles.  Thank Bisset for starting talk of this, and im guessing you would like a copy of all 4 rule and battle books ive made seeing how your regiment would have to abid by them


From 1st Lt Pilawa,
On Leave

 

[Reykjavikdragon]

Yes please, I will pm you my email.

 

[Yukimura_Sanada]

well to be honest if that happens then the size of the dragoons needs to go up.

but the reason now is that the 6e is just pwning everyone and then the line battle admins are saying that cav are OP(reducing the cav size as an effect), while we are treated as heavy cav by our commanders.
we only follow orders,nothing else but orders.

but if this happens then Dragoons are treated as Airborne infantry, they are supposed to be treated like that.

 

[Reykjavikdragon]

well to be honest if that happens then the size of the dragoons needs to go up.

but the reason now is that the 6e is just pwning everyone and then the line battle admins are saying that cav are OP(reducing the cav size as an effect), while we are treated as heavy cav by our commanders.
we only follow orders,nothing else but orders.

but if this happens then Dragoons are treated as Airborne infantry, they are supposed to be treated like that.

Not really as the average size for a squad is 5 men, and the dragoon limit is at 18, I seriously doubt that there going to put it down to below 10 men in a regiment, and if the size limit of the Cavelry is beign put down because the "6e is just pwning everyone " then that isnt the fault of the cavelry they have been trained well and have fought to an exceptional level, this happening because of that is complete rubbish.

"we are treated as heavy cav by our commanders."
thats my point they need to stop treating us like heavy cavelry and use us as dragoons aka mounted infantry.

"but if this happens then Dragoons are treated as Airborne infantry, they are supposed to be treated like that."
No,dragoons in the modern army are armoured infantry (infantry squads mounted in APC's for rapid deployment along with light tanks) but other wise I agree with the whole there supposed to be treated as rapid reinforcements/scouts/objective takers.

How about giving Dragoons really weak horses? That way a charge is gonna get slaughtered and it makes it less viable. Maybe a bit slower to?

Not really as the horses we have you can with one good bayonet strike that can bring down the horse, and to be honest if the infatry want to deal with the cavelry the need to work on better anti-cav tactics (such as squares circles etc), and horses are supposed to be fast for dragoons thats kind of the whole point of them.

 

[Yukimura_Sanada]

well to be honest if that happens then the size of the dragoons needs to go up.

but the reason now is that the 6e is just pwning everyone and then the line battle admins are saying that cav are OP(reducing the cav size as an effect), while we are treated as heavy cav by our commanders.
we only follow orders,nothing else but orders.

but if this happens then Dragoons are treated as Airborne infantry, they are supposed to be treated like that.

Not really as the average size for a squad is 5 men, and the dragoon limit is at 18, I seriously doubt that there going to put it down to below 10 men in a regiment, and if the size limit of the Cavelry is beign put down because the "6e is just pwning everyone " then we all know whose fault that is and that is complete rubbish.

"we are treated as heavy cav by our commanders."
thats my point they need to stop treating us like heavy cavelry and use us as dragoons aka mounted infantry.

"but if this happens then Dragoons are treated as Airborne infantry, they are supposed to be treated like that."
No,dragoons in the modern army are armoured infantry (infantry squads mounted in APC's for rapid deployment along with light tanks) but other wise I agree with the whole there supposed to be treated as rapid reinforcements/scouts/objective takers.

How about giving Dragoons really weak horses? That way a charge is gonna get slaughtered and it makes it less viable. Maybe a bit slower to?

Not really as the horses we have you can with one good bayonet strike that can bring down the horse, and to be honest if the infatry want to deal with the cavelry the need to work on better anti-cav tactics (such as squares circles etc), and horses are supposed to be fast for dragoons thats kind of the whole point of them.

Cav limit is already 11-16 not 18 anymore.
and because i said 6e was pwning everyone was because 1 lb we pwned the livin **** out of ze enemy and then everyone complained about it.
2nd i do think that infantry regiments should pay more attention to Anti cav tactics, 1 good bayo stab kills the rider if you are not as skilled as that aim for the horse then the rider is down and kill the uy.

 

[HarbingerOfDoom]

To be honest, cavalry has a major advantage since they charge rigid lines that are listening to their commander and not individual players who use their instincts. Cavalry has it easy, since all they have to do is circle around an enemy regiment that's being charged by a friendly regiment and picked off enemy players from the back that are engaged in melee.

 

[Moogs]

To be honest, cavalry has a major advantage since they charge rigid lines that are listening to their commander and not individual players who use their instincts. Cavalry has it easy, since all they have to do is circle around an enemy regiment that's being charged by a friendly regiment and picked off enemy players from the back that are engaged in melee.

I think thats slightly unfair, cavalry do have a hard job its about being able to strike at the right time in the right area. A well trained infantry regiment can take down enemy cavalry, in LB's being a skirmisher we encounter enemy cavalry charges all the time and we usually pull through. However ive seen cavalry regiments charge down onto infantry regiments and the cavalry get absolutely slaughtered.
The 6th, I prefer the old name Yuki sorry , make it look easy whenever I have the 6th on my side in a LB i'm bluddy pleased because I know that we have the best of the best on our side.

P.S Not meaning to say other cavalry regiments are bad, its just in my experience the 6th have done a good job in every circumstance no matter what unit type.

 

[Vicccard]

I agree, dragoons are indeed handy for that kind of actions(as called in the first post) but they were indeed heavy cav, and used the straight, big swords like the curassiers.
Also they should be given long muskets like the infantry. They had them in the war and carbines aren't any advantage at all as you can't reload them on horseback