Dragoons and shooting of horseback

[Yukimura_Sanada]

let dragoons fire of horseback, but in formation

That is the current rule at Tuesday/Friday NA line battles. It has been working ok so far.

Can be exploited though. Better to say dismount.

I'm curious how you think they can be exploited. Line infantry can do the same. Fire and run away and repeat.

A dragoon makes a big target to shoot at aswell. Not sure how this makes a bigger thread to you then a unit of line infantry

Everything that makes the infantry less powerfull is coniderd OP.
Jasper I think we just got to get used to it, since the majority of this community are line infantry regiments means they got to say the rules and if cav are OP(if a cavalry regiment kills them) then they make rules on how to make cavalry weaker/

 

[5arge]

Everything that makes the infantry less powerfull is coniderd OP. Jasper I think we just got to get used to it, since the majority of this community are line infantry regiments means they got to say the rules and if cav are OP(if a cavalry regiment kills them) then they make rules on how to make cavalry weaker/

I was hoping you would weigh in on this Yuki, because you and I were leading the 6th Prussian Dragoons back when shooting on horseback became outlawed. I always thought it was our fault for making it look so good. I never understood why it seemed OP, but you have a good point about infantrymen trying to bend rules to their favor. It's the same reason why people always cried foul about lancers. I made shooting on horseback legal at my line battles when NW was released because I figured it was a new game, so new rules were in order.

 

[bos_jasper]

I am not going to say how, I don't want people to do it remember.

Right ......

And you are probably right, Yuki.
Funny thing is, most linebattles allow shooting of horseback.
I try to 'limit' it and this happens.
Let's keep it as it is then and allow shooting mounted and out of formation

 

[jros83]

historically dragoons rode to battle, but mostly dismounted to actually fight.


firing off horseback as a rule was not until the US started "mounted infantry," who could ride and shoot and reload all day long due to lever-action firearms. the difference in terms between "dragoon" and "mounted infantry" being important.

 

[bos_jasper]

historically dragoons rode to battle, but mostly dismounted to actually fight.


firing off horseback as a rule was not until the US started "mounted infantry," who could ride and shoot and reload all day long due to lever-action firearms. the difference in terms between "dragoon" and "mounted infantry" being important.

It's not about history, but about gameplay.

And there are many accounts of dragoons firing mounted for example in Chaplowski's book

 

[jros83]

historically dragoons rode to battle, but mostly dismounted to actually fight.


firing off horseback as a rule was not until the US started "mounted infantry," who could ride and shoot and reload all day long due to lever-action firearms. the difference in terms between "dragoon" and "mounted infantry" being important.

It's not about history, but about gameplay.

And there are many accounts of dragoons firing mounted for example in Chaplowski's book

i understand, i did say "as a rule," I did not mean to imply "ever" or "at all." Also I was't speaking specifically to the issue at hand, I meant only as an aside   I do very much agree with gameplay in the end being more important to historocity

 

[Lloydski]

In all fairness, I'm pretty sure that most line battles have the rule that dragoons must fire whilst stationary in formation.

 

[HGN Crusader]

Im a lancer at heart yet the only reason why i disallow the shooting is because of the whining, complaints, insults and general crap that gets thrown....(we remember the arguement between Smithy and Tavington cos Tav got raped by lancers?) thats what started the cry of lancers are OP.

However i may reinvent the rule for tonight but add limitations, not sure i'll have to see

 

[bos_jasper]

Im a lancer at heart yet the only reason why i disallow the shooting is because of the whining, complaints, insults and general crap that gets thrown....(we remember the arguement between Smithy and Tavington cos Tav got raped by lancers?) thats what started the cry of lancers are OP.

However i may reinvent the rule for tonight but add limitations, not sure i'll have to see

Thanks for thinking it over again, and please limit it to formations

 

[reignlief]

The only reason i support the stay mounted side is the horses are rediculasly skittish now, if someone fires a gun anywhere on the field now there is a large chance the horse will bolt.

 

[Greentiny]

I am not really sure what the point of this thread was other than to go in a circle.

You said that dragoons should fire in formation and that is already the rule. The people you see riding around shooting are breaking the rules and are more than enough told to stop.
I have never been to a linebattle in NW where it was permitted to shoot from horseback.

And Moogs said that dragoons can fire from horseback meaning, they can sit stationary in a formation and shoot.

 

[bos_jasper]

The point is that it wasn't played like that.

 

[Greentiny]

Tell the admins of the linebattle.

 

[bos_jasper]

It was the Saturday lb. Rules weren't established yet

 

[Greentiny]

They were on the thread :O

 

[bos_jasper]

It is now,because of this thread.
The rules were changed Saturday.

 

[Moogs]

I wouldn't trust everything you see on that thread, it also says that we still use training server 2 and a server donated by Tavington..

Also, the rules haven't been changed on the thread either:
> No shooting off horseback, lets keep the realism alive.

The rules set down at 7 GMT weren't exactly thorough because there were people telling me throughout the battle that dragoons were shooting off horseback. To which I had to reply each time, the rules have changed.

The previous Saturday LB where you first encountered these new rule changes Jasper was when I was enforcing them in the LB for the frst time. Out of my own initiative I did this because of the growing amount of LBs that have been allowing it. I'm sorry for not telling you in advance, I honestly didn't realise you were an admin and also an admin on that particular server for that particular evening.

 

[bos_jasper]

No hard feelings here. I like the shooting of horseback. Just thought it needed some limits to keep it fun and balanced

 

[HGN Crusader]

Ye i need to update dat thread ive just not had the time, ive got some spare now so i'll spend 30 mins thorughly going over it (and add a brand spanking new piccy)

 

[IndiaQuinn]

Personally I find it ridiculous to see a dragoon fire a musket in full gallop. Just imagine a hussar chasing a dragoon both at full speed, and the dragoon fire as if he almost were a parthian horsearcher... One of the most rewarding things in the game is slaying a dragoon on horseback. 

PS: a dragoon firing from a static horse could be realistic though. Reloading on a horse? No, not the musket....