Dragoons and shooting of horseback

[bos_jasper]

Most of you guys know us as a cavalry regiment.
We have enjoined our time in NW so far but i have come across something new in linebattles, wich is Dragoons shooting of horseback.
Dont get me wrong, i think this is great. The only problem i have with it so far is that in the linebattles we have fought now against dragoons, the majority of them were firing out of formation.

This ruins gameplay in my opinion because the dragoon fires, runs of, reloads in a corner and repeats the process.
Enemy cavalry can sort of pursue them, but he has buddy's basicly doing the same.
Can we limit the shooting of horseback in linebattles to shooting in line/formation?

I would like to hear peoples opinions on this one, especially the opinion of the linebattle admins

 

[Dragonlordc1888]

Yeah, I dn't like this fact, too! Just reloading on horseback should be possible for them, but not shooting (Dragoons are mounted Infantry, not mounted skirmishers).

 

[HGN Crusader]

Shooting from horseback is prohibited in the Saturday Linebattle simply as youve stated, it gives an unfair advantage. In this way infantry cant combat cavalry hit and run tactics and always get shot down before they can form and before a strike force can be reassambled to face the dragoon. By the time this is happened the bastards have run off.

It just gives an unfair upperhand and unbalances the teams completely.

 

[SeanBeansShako]

The funny thing is though, dragoons don't have the speed they used to have which makes playing them as ad hoc light infantry almost useless now.

They need a little bit of tweaking so they can actually be proper dragoons again.

 

[bos_jasper]

Shooting from horseback is prohibited in the Saturday Linebattle simply as youve stated, it gives an unfair advantage. In this way infantry cant combat cavalry hit and run tactics and always get shot down before they can form and before a strike force can be reassambled to face the dragoon. By the time this is happened the bastards have run off.

It just gives an unfair upperhand and unbalances the teams completely.

Moogs told us different last Saturday linebattle and we the enemy dragoons were shooting of horsebsck

 

[Hekko]

I completly agree with Friedrich and Crusader. Cavalry armed with firearms in game (excluding pistols) should have to dismount before firing.

However, I think it's important to keep in mind that dragoons during the era were infact not mounted infantry but rather medium/heavy cavalry for most nations. The same way carabiniers weren't light cavalry but rather cuirassiers with fancier helmets and cuirasses (for the French that is).

 

[bos_jasper]

There are a lot of books mentioning dragoons firing ot horseback like in the book from Chapowski.
But this more aimed at gameplay then realism.

 

[Hekko]

Well, yeah. From a gameplay point of view certainly and that's my biggest concern.

From a realism point of view one has to consider that all cav of the era was armed with some sort of firearm, and as such I am fairly sure you can find accounts of other types of cav firing from horseback as well.

 

[SeanBeansShako]

Maybe dragoons should only be allowed to take shots at enemy cav?

 

[HGN Crusader]

Shooting from horseback is prohibited in the Saturday Linebattle simply as youve stated, it gives an unfair advantage. In this way infantry cant combat cavalry hit and run tactics and always get shot down before they can form and before a strike force can be reassambled to face the dragoon. By the time this is happened the bastards have run off.

It just gives an unfair upperhand and unbalances the teams completely.

Moogs told us different last Saturday linebattle and we the enemy dragoons were shooting of horsebsck

Hmm well then hes not read the rules properly

I'll speak to him about it but shooting from horseback was banned back in MM so i think i may have to highlight that to all the admins.

 

[Kipsleverworst]

I wish dragoons had to dismount and than reload, not reloading on horse it self; as in MM.

 

[bos_jasper]

I wish dragoons had to dismount and than reload, not reloading on horse it self; as in MM.

I believe this was done to prevent people from stealing a horse from a dragoon who is reloading on battle servers

 

[Lloydski]

The problem with dismounting now is that (at least in my experience) the horses are now 100x more skittish, as if they were never even conditioned and just pulled out of a stable.

In our battles we allow firing off horseback, but the dragoons are required to be in a loose line formation. I say loose because its near impossible to get horsemen shoulder-to-shoulder in a decent time. So the dragoons ride up, form line and then fire rather than just running, Ctrl+Jing and then firing.

 

[Banzai!!!]

I don't see what's wrong with shooting on horseback it was a great counter to fighting line infantry head on and meant we could take shots quickly and not loose any men.

Dismounting takes time and time means line infantry can form up and fire at us which means we loose men and what with line infantry being at the current state they are at they wont really have any other threat now other than other line infantry...

Of all the people that could have made a thread like this it was you Jasper...

All I will say is im very dissapointed in you for making this thread 

 

[bos_jasper]

Read again then please. The problem that I have is the firing out of formation, not the firing of horseback.
I think it is a good addition to the rules, but should be limited, so that we don't get gameplay which results in dragoons running off separately, reloading and shoot and repeat the process.

My point, please let dragoons fire of horseback, but in formation

 

[5arge]

let dragoons fire of horseback, but in formation

That is the current rule at Tuesday/Friday NA line battles. It has been working ok so far.

 

[MaHuD]

let dragoons fire of horseback, but in formation

That is the current rule at Tuesday/Friday NA line battles. It has been working ok so far.

Can be exploited though. Better to say dismount.

 

[SeanBeansShako]

Or not use them at all until they fixed, which is pretty upsetting.

 

[bos_jasper]

let dragoons fire of horseback, but in formation

That is the current rule at Tuesday/Friday NA line battles. It has been working ok so far.

Can be exploited though. Better to say dismount.

I'm curious how you think they can be exploited. Line infantry can do the same. Fire and run away and repeat.

A dragoon makes a big target to shoot at aswell. Not sure how this makes a bigger thread to you then a unit of line infantry

 

[MaHuD]

I am not going to say how, I don't want people to do it remember.