Downing street trying to pull another one..

[Sedericus]

here is a petition against the new national speed limit changes and all the average speed cameras that are going to put onto country roads all over the UK.
sign the petition to stop this pathetic money wasting law!

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/noNSLreduction/?showall=1

its time the people start making a stand against this sort of ****! 

 

[Redcoat-Mic]

I don't mind.

 

[Suspect-Device]

I use public transport

 

[Mage246]

Aren't fatal car collisions kind of a problem on the country roads?

 

[Sedericus]

why don't you mind? this is going to cause more accidents than its going to solve. people will be so occupied checking the speedometers that they will end up hitting oncoming traffic. the idea behind it all is ridiculous, it angers me that the government seems to think its a good idea, its just another way of making money because the government has ****ed up in the current economic climate.


Edit: yes they are a problem, but no need to put a damn average speed camera on every single country road out there. if you drive responsibly and not like a twat the you won't crash anyway, we should invest the money goin to be spent on the cameras into better driving tests.

 

[Mage246]

Q: Can you drive? Because people don't spend all of their time checking the speedometer, even where there are max speeds and cameras, and a competent driver can check it without crashing....

 

[Redcoat-Mic]

Are you serious? People are going to be more concerned checking their speedometers? So what, scrap speed limits altogether?

That's a stupid arguement, you shouldn't need to check your speedometer when approaching a speed camera because you sholuldn't be speeding at all.

The basic fact of speed cameras is, whether or not it's just a hidden tax for the government, you shouldn't be speeding anyway so if you get caught you've no right to complain, you're a dangerous driver and you deserve the fine.

 

[Seff]

Are you serious? People are going to be more concerned checking their speedometers? So what, scrap speed limits altogether?

That's a stupid arguement, you shouldn't need to check your speedometer when approaching a speed camera because you sholuldn't be speeding at all.

The basic fact of speed cameras is, whether or not it's just a hidden tax for the government, you shouldn't be speeding anyway so if you get caught you've no right to complain, you're a dangerous driver and you deserve the fine.

Exactly.

 

[Sedericus]

yes i do drive. been driving since i was 17. and when in an average speed zone if you go 5 mph over the limit for a period of 2 minutes then you will get 3 points and a fine, which is pathetic. this makes people edgey and to check their speedometers more often when they should be paying attention to the country road.

Edit: and why shouldn't be able to go faster at 2am when there is **** all on the roads? im not a dangerous driver at all, i know that there is a time and a place for speeding and in rush hour traffic or busy town centers is not the right time or place.

 

[Cymro]

yes i do drive. been driving since i was 17. and when in an average speed zone if you go 5 mph over the limit for a period of 2 minutes then you will get 3 points and a fine, which is pathetic.

You should not go over the speed limits, end of. They're limits. Granted, the speedometer does under-read a bit, but if anything, you should be going slower than the limit; the road about 100m away from my house is national speed limit, but you'd quite frankly be insane to do 60 on twisty country roads.

Edit: and why shouldn't be able to go faster at 2am when there is **** all on the roads? im not a dangerous driver at all, i know that there is a time and a place for speeding and in rush hour traffic or busy town centers is not the right time or place.

Because at 2AM you'll most likely be tired, and if you're going faster then you'll not be able to react to hazards - animals crossing the road, or worse another boy racer, which could be fatal.

 

[Sedericus]

i won't necessarily be tired. i could have slept before travelling at night to get to my destination quicker by being able to travel quicker.

you are right about the bendy road situation its scary driving a Hyundai accent alone never mind driving one on bendy roads 

why go slow? when i have the option to get to where I'm going in half the time and go a bit faster? I've never crashed my car from speeding nor have i been caught, the germans and Spanish have it down to a art with the speed limits, take them off the autobarn etc and give advisable speeds which make you think maybe i should slow down, rather than someone going "SLOW DOWN OR YOU WILL GET FINED AND POINTS" that makes most people feel like they are going against the grain an doing somethin dangerous.

 

[Redcoat-Mic]

Ok, let me just caps you now.

They make you think that you're doing something dangerous BECAUSE YOU'RE DRIVING A TONNE OF METAL AT VERY FAST SPEEDS.

It's just not on. Nowhere in Britain is far away enough to justify speeding to get there quicker, it's just not worth risking someones life over 20 minutes.

 

[leprechaun]

why go slow? when i have the option to get to where I'm going in half the time and go a bit faster?

Because it's better if you and everyone else on the roads gets there outside of an urn.

Typical speedhead convinced of his own immortality. Never been in an accident, but seen hundreds.

 

[arbites_augmented]

Traffic Jams that aren't caused by accidents are caused by people going faster than the limit, you know.

 

[Corvus]

The speed limits are all set with the stopping distance of your car in mind. The fact that when you get up into the 70s, every single mile an hour faster adds meters to your stopping distance. The difference between 75 and 76 mph is about 5 meters stopping. Sure, you will already take about 150 meters to stop at that speed, but every mph counts.

You ever seen what happens if a car hits a deer at high speed?

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Yeah, you realise you are not gonna do too well if that happens? Add to that the fact you will probably lose control of the vehicle, end up hitting one of the hedges/banks, possibly flipping the car. I'd say you're fairly dead.

Be content with the speed limit. Set out earlier if you want to get somewhere earlier.

 

[morgoth2005]

I'm for the reduction of speed limits on all roads, but not on the motorways... there it is rather pointless. In fact it is the slow cars that cause traffic jams and a lot of the crashes...

 

[Gamemako]

here is a petition against the new national speed limit changes and all the average speed cameras that are going to put onto country roads all over the UK.
sign the petition to stop this pathetic money wasting law!

Money-wasting? My God, what rock did you come out from under? Traffic cameras are cash cows for the state.

The basic fact of speed cameras is, whether or not it's just a hidden tax for the government, you shouldn't be speeding anyway so if you get caught you've no right to complain, you're a dangerous driver and you deserve the fine.

So, you know at what speed traffic accidents significantly increase? I'll give you a hint: it's well over 110kph (far, far, FAR from the speed limit they wish to impose). It's not the speed that does it except in extreme cases. I witnessed a head-on collision between two drivers on a bridge once (all involved were killed), and initial reports said that they were speeding (they ALWAYS claim that, and even when it clearly had nothing to do with the accident, they'll say "speed was a factor" -- ****ing bull****). A week later, the actual report came that they were actually doing the speed limit -- it was a sleeping driver crossing the median that did it.

I would liken your argument to this: you should not ever pump your arm to display pleasure for a victory. If you do so, you deserve the fine the government will place on you.

Traffic Jams that aren't caused by accidents are caused by people going faster than the limit, you know.

Scientifically, the opposite is true, as much as certain chiefs of police around the world would like you to believe otherwise. I'll have to find the old articles about the previous two points, but for now, I'm lazy and this isn't Wikipedia.{{fact|March 2009}}

//EDIT: Also, a few more facts I'll have to gather around: speed cameras are indeed a distraction, and distractions (including safety belts) increase accident rates. Also, red light cameras, while not at issue here, dramatically increase accident rates but decrease traffic deaths (I'm sure you can guess why).

 

[morgoth2005]

Actually the Government ears little to no money from the cameras. I remember actually watching a Top Gear episode when a minister came on and said they earn only like £20 mil from them. Considering how many parking tickets are issued and stuff, and what is going at the moment, that's peanuts.

 

[Redcoat-Mic]

Again, your argument is moot.
Your complaining how the government spends the money when you break the law. That's none of your concern. You broke the law. The speed limits are there to protect people and have been since they were introduced, long before speed cameras possible.

Opposition to speed limits and fines for such just show the levels of selfishness you have that you're willing to risk others just to go faster.

 

[arbites_augmented]

What I was trying to say is that here, at least, if tcars were going at a steady speed, then it would be fine. But, because people drive faster than the limit, you catch up with the car in front, and have to slow down. The car behind isn't expecting this, so it slows down too, etc.