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Discussion Thread: Gamescom 2017 Media
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Hark
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The journalist said : "Armagan told us" and with the words : "Very good chance" "could" and "even this year".
It smells good to be honest.
Especially with the quick tweet by TW when said they didn't give any interview, maybe they are looking for an early access release and they didn't want us to know before they will be able to make a good marketing plan to sell us this EA.
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Varrak said:While talking about realism, lets add reproduction, aging, perma-death, losing arms/legs in battles permanently..
This is a game. Game. Fun is more important than realism fetish. Balancing is a must for the fun experience. I trust TW about balancing.
All of those things sound wonderful. Yes please.
Hark said:
If it was a leak of confidential information Taleworlds, it would imply this noname site got any information tossed their way and by releasing it break confidentiality agreements if it was something not meant to be heard. Which wouldn't happen in the first place as for one, TW wouldn't have said anything at all if it wanted it under the wraps.
The site is just playing off your hopes and desires to get you to look at their site for ad revenue
Also, less than a week ago Taleworlds was talking about how there won't be giving a release date anytime soon and suddenly a random site got an interview with Armagan saying there's a paid beta, a site that's not known to be associated or working with Taleworlds e.g. Gamestar, PC Gamer
Madhal said:
Thanks for posting those. The upload doesn't seem to be of great quality, but then it's not the Taleworlds channel- I think a journalist rushed it to be the first to get it online. Still perfectly watchable, but a bit grainy sometimes. The map looks good and I like the look of some of the Khuzait lamellar shoulder pieces. I recognise that lamellar horse armour from a year or so ago in magazine pictures, I love it.
I can also see that they definitely need some competitive player help on the balancing side.Fidel Lagstro said:https://youtu.be/tv6I-CzZJLU?t=11m23s
... this is balanced and engaging gameplay?
Should I go over how what I've seen so far is a complete balance disaster, or should I wait until the beta comes out?
The numbers are all wonky.
Luckily that's captain mode, so eh.
From what I've seen, never expect TW to know how to balance their own game in terms of weapon/unit stats. They need community input.
Fidel Lagstro said:... this is balanced and engaging gameplay?
Honestly.. the gameplay was good, they guy playing was definitely not, looked like someone who never played M&B before, so many mistakes, most of the time the guy couldn't even hit the enemies standing still in front of him, and who the hell leaves their archers in an open field and DOWNHILL from enemy heavy cavalry? lol
In this gamemode, player will take less damage and deal more damage to the other enemies. As far as i know it is not different against other players.Fidel Lagstro said:https://youtu.be/tv6I-CzZJLU?t=11m23s
... this is balanced and engaging gameplay?
Should I go over how what I've seen so far is a complete balance disaster, or should I wait until the beta comes out?
Fidel Lagstro said:https://youtu.be/tv6I-CzZJLU?t=11m23s
... this is balanced and engaging gameplay?
Should I go over how what I've seen so far is a complete balance disaster, or should I wait until the beta comes out?
Not sure what you mean by that segment of video; do you realise that the person being aimed at is (at least I presume) another human player? He keeps trying to give an order to his troops, leaving himself open to arrows in the process, which explains the strange behaviour of that soldier, and the lack of attacking from his infantry once he dies. Without him they are not ordered to charge, though why he didn't respawn as one of them and order the charge I don't know.
As for the damage stats, I think that might be a lot to do with getting kills made in a timely fashion for demo purposes (by changing damage settings) or maybe they want people to die fast for balance purposes and so give weapons big stats. I think this is where a large public or restricted beta test would be useful, like for Warband multiplayer.
Why exactly do you think this?JuJu70 said:
And about the balancing of an UNRELEASED, STILL WORK IN PROGRESS game, i would not have any doubts. Balancing is a thing that can be done spreading over time. They will balance the hell out of it when the game is near release and definitely after release.
That's why I'm asking whether it would be fruitful if I were to spell out clear balance issues and bad gameplay mechanics now, or wait until the beta comes out. Maybe the devs know the balance changes that need to be made and are working on them, or maybe they don't and could really use some help now.
I only posted one clip as an example, but there are a lot of things that look very wrong, for example https://youtu.be/c_3el4IAevg?t=2m28s
The cav takes an arrow straight to the chest... only takes 6 damage... then proceeds to run over 2 infantry at the same time and deals 35 charging damage to both of them... does that seem balanced to you?
at E3 they showed this, and this happened https://youtu.be/IUkL42p3Mss?t=3m10s Running over 7 people, dealing solid damage to all of them and not even getting slowed down? WTF? that wouldn't be a balanced combat mechanic for multiplayer, and that's my concern.
We don't have much to go on, but based off of the little we do have, some of the game mechanics would be horrible in MP. This Captain Mode is all we've been shown on 'Multiplayer', and it doesn't look good from a class balance perspective. Now if what you say is true that damage by players is buffed and game against them is nerfed, then maybe that would explain some of the weird damage numbers, but that doesn't fix bad game mechanics like OP cav bumping or inaccurate rangers.
Those are the 4 shots taken at the latter part of the video and shows the effects of reducing the accuracy stat on bows. They're way off center and would make mid to long range shots a complete game of luck. I would know, I've played several sp mods that turn down the accuracy on bows, and it takes the skill out of it and replaces it with luck. You're forced to adopt this idea of "ok well, I'm just going to shoot in this general area and hope it lands because I can't actually control where the arrow is going and there's no real reward for accurately aiming or placing my shots perfectly." In native warband mp where the accuracy stat on bows is set to 99, bows are fairly accurate, and if you don't aim right, YOU WILL MISS, but reducing the accuracy stat will cause a scenario where a perfectly placed shot could miss, and a badly placed shot will actually land due to the offset, and not because of any degree of skill, but out of pure luck/RNG.
I could go on and on about other things I've spotted, but there's no point in wasting my time bringing them up here if no one of importance (devs, community manager, etc) is going to be looking at them at this point in time.
P.S. I don't mean to **** on the game, the graphics look good and the scenery is nice, some of the animations look good and some still look clunky, but my biggest concern right now is that visuals are being prioritized over gameplay at this point, and I've seen enough medieval games fail because of that. My hope is that a decently balanced game can be released into a multiplayer beta that will give everyone that tries it a good first impression, and then perfecting it can come afterwards with community input.
I only posted one clip as an example, but there are a lot of things that look very wrong, for example https://youtu.be/c_3el4IAevg?t=2m28s
The cav takes an arrow straight to the chest... only takes 6 damage... then proceeds to run over 2 infantry at the same time and deals 35 charging damage to both of them... does that seem balanced to you?
at E3 they showed this, and this happened https://youtu.be/IUkL42p3Mss?t=3m10s Running over 7 people, dealing solid damage to all of them and not even getting slowed down? WTF? that wouldn't be a balanced combat mechanic for multiplayer, and that's my concern.
We don't have much to go on, but based off of the little we do have, some of the game mechanics would be horrible in MP. This Captain Mode is all we've been shown on 'Multiplayer', and it doesn't look good from a class balance perspective. Now if what you say is true that damage by players is buffed and game against them is nerfed, then maybe that would explain some of the weird damage numbers, but that doesn't fix bad game mechanics like OP cav bumping or inaccurate rangers.
Those are the 4 shots taken at the latter part of the video and shows the effects of reducing the accuracy stat on bows. They're way off center and would make mid to long range shots a complete game of luck. I would know, I've played several sp mods that turn down the accuracy on bows, and it takes the skill out of it and replaces it with luck. You're forced to adopt this idea of "ok well, I'm just going to shoot in this general area and hope it lands because I can't actually control where the arrow is going and there's no real reward for accurately aiming or placing my shots perfectly." In native warband mp where the accuracy stat on bows is set to 99, bows are fairly accurate, and if you don't aim right, YOU WILL MISS, but reducing the accuracy stat will cause a scenario where a perfectly placed shot could miss, and a badly placed shot will actually land due to the offset, and not because of any degree of skill, but out of pure luck/RNG.
I could go on and on about other things I've spotted, but there's no point in wasting my time bringing them up here if no one of importance (devs, community manager, etc) is going to be looking at them at this point in time.
P.S. I don't mean to **** on the game, the graphics look good and the scenery is nice, some of the animations look good and some still look clunky, but my biggest concern right now is that visuals are being prioritized over gameplay at this point, and I've seen enough medieval games fail because of that. My hope is that a decently balanced game can be released into a multiplayer beta that will give everyone that tries it a good first impression, and then perfecting it can come afterwards with community input.
JuJu70
John.M said:
1. conservation of momentum (you weigh little and don't move, horse weighs a ton and is running);
2. have you ever stood up to a onrushing horse (or a car) (psychological effect)
3. For the spear to penetrate it has to be perfectly angled, and it must have lots of resistance which is basically mass. we already know you have very little mass compared to the horse, so your spear will most likely just glance off, or just simply break. you of course will fly back with at least a twisted shoulder.
the guy in the video is just leisurely poke the horse off holding the spear with one hand on top of that.
If a lonely infantryman could so easily kill a horse, noone would ever use cavalry.
