Discussion - best low tier units

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kittehs

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A lot has been written and debated about best top tier soldiers. Why not discuss the previous tiers because unless you are a late game hero you will be stuck with a lot of them ?

I will start. So I am playing a series of Role Play oriented characters. No companions, no looting villages and so on. And only 2-4 trainer to boot depending on character. Thus I am actually forced to field proper balanced warbands instead of army of knights and mamlukes lol

Anyway I am using a lot of lower tier troops to back up the few elite heavy cav I got and here are my observations.

1. Swadian militia are somewhat overrated. Their main selling point is their hunting crossbow but they rarely hit targets. In melee they are decent. Can take of farmers,mountain bandits etc.

2. Rhodok crossbowmen and Nord Footmen are best tier 2 troops ever. It is a tie between who is the best. Nord footman have a fighting chance against top tier infantry from other factions. In shooting department Rhodok crossbowmen are as dependable as higher tier counterparts. They only lack behind in melee.

3. Nord Huntsmen has to be most useless unit in game. I have not seen them kill anything in my 1.5 years of playing warband. Has anyone ?

4. Sarranid and Vaegir footmen are target practice. The kind of thing you send 5 knights to kill by the dozens or sip tea as sharpshooters kill them so fast not a single one reaches melee distance.

5. In mid tier roles are changed. Nord trained footman is likely best followed by vaegir veteran. Trained footman is good enough for virtually any siege in game. Everything warrior to huscarl upwards is just overkill. Vaegir veteran are great with two handed axes and chance for horse. Not durable like Trained Footman but like all vaegir they are all offense with lot of punch with less defense.

6. Khergit lancers are best tier 4 cavalry. Almost as good as a Vaegir knight. Nord warriors are best tier 4 infantry followed by vaegir infantry.
 
Hmmm... interesting. I would just say that in overall looking - Nords have the best infantry (from lower to higher), but i also want to say that my favourite lower unit is swadian footman (don't know why :razz: ).
For archers, best are rhodok crossbowmen, followed by swadian and by vaegir archers.  :cool:
 
I must say, my favorite units are Rhodok Trained Crossbowmen and Vaegir Veterans(I like the way Vaegir looks a bit like Russians)
 
Bruce  Almighty 说:
I must say, my favorite units are Rhodok Trained Crossbowmen and Vaegir Veterans(I like the way Vaegir looks a bit like Russians)

haha, indeed, they are in fact fictionized mixture of slavs and russians :grin:
 
I know that, but we often divide slavs on eastern (russians ukrainians and etc- you made a mistake, they are eastern,not western :razz: ), western (slovakians,people from poland..etc)  and south ( from south are people from balkan penninsula, serbians,croats and etc).
So i said russians are different from slavs ( because they divided themself in past, different history, different customs)...

Anyway, you know what i mean  :smile:
 
I think you are selling the swadian militia short. Yes they rarely hit, their strength lies not in their accuracy but rather your ability to afford thousands of them.

Extremely cheap, even if they only hit 5% that is a lot of hits when hundreds are spamming their bolts. I would hardly call their melee decent, though they do clog up the hole in the wall quite well while the other 150 or so of them peck away at the attackers.

As for other mid-tier and low tier troops...

Nords: Best infantry in the game from beginning to end (top tier is debatable) Their archers are crap however until you hit the top tier.

Vaegir: Top tier archers are good, rest kinda suck, I think most people underestimate their mid tier infantry though as they often spawn mounted and with blunt weapons giving you both cavalry (granted it is mixed in with your infantry) and they do their share in a fight.

Khergits: Never been able to warm up to their mid tiers, their archers however are capable.

Swadian: As I said before their militia has its strengths, their infantry I never cared for, I swear the Sergeants are only as capable as a tier 3-4 infantry unit from any other faction.  However, their men-at-arms are capable both mounted and on foot.

Rhodoks: Mid-tier crossbowmen are capable but squishy. Mid-tier infantry is horrid.

Sarranid: Mid tier archers suck for the most part but skirmishers en masse can be a force to be reckoned with in sieges. Mid-tier infantry isn't any better but again many spawn with javelins making them fairly dangerous in sieges with great enough numbers.
 
Let's open up the stats here... Keep in mind, I won't mention any stats they don't use, and many things are approximated(but still accurate) for brevity.

1st Tier Units.

Swadian Recruit: Level 4 | 10 armour | bad peasant 1h weapons | 60 proficiency | Can have shields.
Vaegir Recruit: Same as above, except having a two-handed axe which is rather useful.
Khergit Tribesman: Level 5 | 15 armour | has spear/club | can have hunting bows | 50 proficiency | 3 Riding, 2 PowDr and HorsArch.
Nord Recruit: Level 6 | 10 armour | has 2h axe/spear/hatchet | can have shield | 50 prof | 1 pt in Ath & PowrStrike.
Rhodok Tribesman: Level 4 | 10 Armour | Pitch Forks and Board Shields | 55 Prof | 1 pt in IrnFlesh
Sarranid Recruit: Same as Swadian, except has 1 Athletics.

2nd Tier.

Swadian Militia: Lvl 9| 20 armour| 75 Prof| Mediocre 1h picks/maces| Has shield| Can have Hunting Crossbow.
Vaegir Footman:  Lvl 9| 10-24 armour| 75 Prof| 2h Axe/Okay 1h weapons| Has Shield
Khergit Skirmisher: Lvl 10| 15-24 armour| 60 melee prof, 80 ranged prof| Decent 1h weapons| Can have shield| Mounted| Ranged with bow/javs| 5 Riding, 3 HA & PD, 1 PowThr

Nord Footman: Lvl 10| 20 armour| 70 prof| Decent 30c 1h weapons| Has shield| Can have javs/thrown axes| 2 IF, PS, Ath, PT, 1 shield.
Nord Huntsman: Lvl 11| 10 armour| 60 melee, 70 ranged Prof| Has hunting bow/hatchet| 1 PD & 1 IF, 2 Ath| Slightly higher avg STR.

Rhodok Spearman: Lvl 9| 15-20 armour| 80 Prof| Falchion & spear/pike| Can have shield| 2 IF & PS, 1 Ath & Shield.
Rhodok Crossbowman: Lvl 10| 15 armour| 85 Prof| Crossbow| Falchion/Sword/Spiked Staff| Can have shield| 2 IF & Ath, 1 PS & shield.

Sarranid Footman: Lvl 9| 15 armour| 75 Prof| 2 Ath| Has Shield| Sarranid Sword/Bamboo Spear.
 
Nord footman are the strongest or at least best (imo) low tier units. All ranged low tier units suck (except vaegirs).
 
About the Ranged Units

Do We preffer: - Range = Rhodok Crossbowman (Crossbow)

                        - Accuracy = Unmounted Khergit Skirmisher (PowerDraw 3, Archery Prof 124)
   
                        - Damage = Sarranid (When Using jarrids), Vaegir Using Javelins Or again the Khergits

At First Tier:

My personal choice of " Da Best" are the Khergits. Think About It, many little Steppe boys shooting whit their Bows or charging whit Clubs. In the Original M&B they ride in Steppe Horses.
Or for a second place i have to choose my Nordic People. They Rush the Bandits and second tier Enemys whit PowerStrike 1 Using Two Handed Axe, Axe and a Shield or a Single Hand Hachet. Scary (To be a bandit...)  :mrgreen:
 
smothdude 说:
Rallix 说:
Sarranid Footman: Lvl 9| 15 armour| 75 Prof| 2 Ath| Has Shield| Sarranid Sword/Bamboo Spear.
Bamboo spear? I have never seen that before.
That's because the AI never use spears if they have a choice.
 
Rallix 说:
smothdude 说:
Rallix 说:
Sarranid Footman: Lvl 9| 15 armour| 75 Prof| 2 Ath| Has Shield| Sarranid Sword/Bamboo Spear.
Bamboo spear? I have never seen that before.
That's because the AI never use spears if they have a choice.
I know but I have not heard of a bamboo item.
 
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