Diplomacy mod?
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Mooncabbage
Sergeant
I think if you're going to add religion, you need to keep it's affects on the game within historical, secular limitations. It's really the only way to avoid offending people.
Peasant crusades could be fun though
Have some priests run around to various villages raising peasants on their way to the holy land.
I think that eventually adding a holy roman emperor would add an interesting counter balance to the pope, as well as make politics in the empire more interesting. If it were possible to reflect the HRE as a handful of the major HRE states, in a loose alliance against aggressors, and give each of the major alliances a city or something, that could potentially be fun, as there is lots of potential for internal strife, and the opportunity for the player to conquer and create their own HRE duchy.
Just a thought though, it's a lot of coding.
Peasant crusades could be fun though
Have some priests run around to various villages raising peasants on their way to the holy land.
I think that eventually adding a holy roman emperor would add an interesting counter balance to the pope, as well as make politics in the empire more interesting. If it were possible to reflect the HRE as a handful of the major HRE states, in a loose alliance against aggressors, and give each of the major alliances a city or something, that could potentially be fun, as there is lots of potential for internal strife, and the opportunity for the player to conquer and create their own HRE duchy.
Just a thought though, it's a lot of coding.
FrisianDude
Archduke
Wouldn't need to be Muslim for that. You could be Christian and disagree with the old buggers. You could even back a counter-Pope.Inca 说:
That could be cool, interpapal struggling.
Also; Nerdman, are you sure mongols were Buddhist?
I'd be surprised if they were, really. I thought they were more tribal in religion.Saki
Recruit
i like this idea, Is it possible at all to implement in some way to either pay off another faction or if your on good enough relations to get them to declare war on another faction. I know this might be a little far fetched. But say i am the ruler of my own faction and a small neughbour of mine, we both cant take on a larger faction ourselves, but because we are on good terms we could align and both declare war to take on the bigger faction ??
Mooncabbage
Sergeant
A new puppet pope, elected by the cardinals at sword point! The new pope would look at your faction favourably.
Saki
Recruit
The man upstairs ?? haha
I dont think you should be able to kill the pope, haha it would seem quite wild also to be able to take the pope and lock him in your jail!!
What if you can go one step further than ebing a king and become a pope yourself ? Then you have control over all the realms who follow your religion ?
Perhaps the pope should just be kept as a seperate entity to balance out all the factions when things get hairy.
I dont think you should be able to kill the pope, haha it would seem quite wild also to be able to take the pope and lock him in your jail!!
What if you can go one step further than ebing a king and become a pope yourself ? Then you have control over all the realms who follow your religion ?
Perhaps the pope should just be kept as a seperate entity to balance out all the factions when things get hairy.
haroon
Sergeant
im read that need mods are open for sugestion and historical research, im happy to help :
{Islam Based}
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-Simmilar to Christianity, it's main City is Baghdad, and has a religous leader as well. It does most of the same stuff as Christanity, much is more of warriors and does not require churches or in their case temples to be in good terms with them, as they only have few temples, instead to have good relation you must instead do religious missions, which give you double relation if completed, and you get missions not at will but by messages you get very so often.
this will be interesting, for more historical accurate, in Islam we call our place for prayer as "masjid" not temple, and also not a mosque, mosque its not an accurate words it base on war insults (many muslim still recognize this as an insults acording to the etimology of this word), although we dont have any religious institution and order (like vatican etc) but yes we are forming battle formation, tactic, event politic in masjid at that time. We dont have any religious leader, all man recognize equal as the practicer, but we have a leader that we recognize as the leader of all muslim arround the world, it call Caliph.
There is a different between Islamic Caliphate system or we can call it Khilafah Islam wich is totaly different with modern mid-east monarch for example : Arab Saudi (Ibn Saud monarch). The ruler not being elect by blood relation (unlike monarchy or feudalism) but by asyura, or discussion, there is some kind of election who will be chosen to be a caliph or populary to be chosen as a Amirul Mukmin(in) (mean : The Leader Of The Belivers)-this name being introduce by Umar Ibn Khatab, and since then all the Islamic Caliph call their leader by this name. For more information u can check a biography of Umar Ibn Khatab ra. or u can also check Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz ra. story or biography, they are two well known caliph who are being respect by the muslim for their political and state policy. Also the terms of Imam or ulama is not kind of institution terms that legitimately granted, it being given by the peoples because your knowledge (especialy about Tauhid-oneness of God, or fiqh-knowledge about religion law or syariah etc) on religion and for your works and good deeds, its a name of honor by the mean that you are worth to be a good example and right person to ask on religious matter.
And we have lots of masjid, but they just modest place to worship, not one with a sophiscated architecture. Except in the Ottoman area, there are many luxurious and high decorated masjid in Andalus or Cordoba. Event its not a good things to do, because the teaching of modesty (zuhud) are one of important teaching in Islam, not only in wealth, event in simple every day life like food and clothes. Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz biography is good to be start, because its short, simple and can give u a brief understanding about political atmosphere in Islam. ANd in Umar Ibn Khatab there are lots of things to read, event a detail on how the caliph relation with peoples of the books (christian and jews) and Umar being love by the Jews and christian because of his fair judgement on trade and religious right, and he have a unique political observation as periodictly go to town pretending as a citizen and asking a villager how things going under his order, how trade, how life, and other things. If u need refrence or interest adding Islamic detail at your mods contact me.
{Islam Based}
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-Simmilar to Christianity, it's main City is Baghdad, and has a religous leader as well. It does most of the same stuff as Christanity, much is more of warriors and does not require churches or in their case temples to be in good terms with them, as they only have few temples, instead to have good relation you must instead do religious missions, which give you double relation if completed, and you get missions not at will but by messages you get very so often.
this will be interesting, for more historical accurate, in Islam we call our place for prayer as "masjid" not temple, and also not a mosque, mosque its not an accurate words it base on war insults (many muslim still recognize this as an insults acording to the etimology of this word), although we dont have any religious institution and order (like vatican etc) but yes we are forming battle formation, tactic, event politic in masjid at that time. We dont have any religious leader, all man recognize equal as the practicer, but we have a leader that we recognize as the leader of all muslim arround the world, it call Caliph.
There is a different between Islamic Caliphate system or we can call it Khilafah Islam wich is totaly different with modern mid-east monarch for example : Arab Saudi (Ibn Saud monarch). The ruler not being elect by blood relation (unlike monarchy or feudalism) but by asyura, or discussion, there is some kind of election who will be chosen to be a caliph or populary to be chosen as a Amirul Mukmin(in) (mean : The Leader Of The Belivers)-this name being introduce by Umar Ibn Khatab, and since then all the Islamic Caliph call their leader by this name. For more information u can check a biography of Umar Ibn Khatab ra. or u can also check Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz ra. story or biography, they are two well known caliph who are being respect by the muslim for their political and state policy. Also the terms of Imam or ulama is not kind of institution terms that legitimately granted, it being given by the peoples because your knowledge (especialy about Tauhid-oneness of God, or fiqh-knowledge about religion law or syariah etc) on religion and for your works and good deeds, its a name of honor by the mean that you are worth to be a good example and right person to ask on religious matter.
And we have lots of masjid, but they just modest place to worship, not one with a sophiscated architecture. Except in the Ottoman area, there are many luxurious and high decorated masjid in Andalus or Cordoba. Event its not a good things to do, because the teaching of modesty (zuhud) are one of important teaching in Islam, not only in wealth, event in simple every day life like food and clothes. Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz biography is good to be start, because its short, simple and can give u a brief understanding about political atmosphere in Islam. ANd in Umar Ibn Khatab there are lots of things to read, event a detail on how the caliph relation with peoples of the books (christian and jews) and Umar being love by the Jews and christian because of his fair judgement on trade and religious right, and he have a unique political observation as periodictly go to town pretending as a citizen and asking a villager how things going under his order, how trade, how life, and other things. If u need refrence or interest adding Islamic detail at your mods contact me.
Mooncabbage
Sergeant
It makes sense to make the pope initially untouchable, but it's not precisely historically accurate for the pope to be all powerful.
You know if Darth Vader meet the pope he would say "Indead you are powerful as the Emporer has forseen."Mooncabbage 说:
Though being serious I think at least my idea of Church and Religion relation can be put into note, as those two are simple and can diverge into other stuff.
TuranianGhazi
Sergeant
FrisianDude 说:Wouldn't need to be Muslim for that. You could be Christian and disagree with the old buggers. You could even back a counter-Pope.Inca 说:
That could be cool, interpapal struggling.
Also; Nerdman, are you sure mongols were Buddhist?
The beauty of faith is that it transforms people of all factions, although in medieval ages it was verily among national, facitonal lines, but still it really wasn't.
One great example is the Mongol Empire, it wasn't all shamanist (tribal) or all Buddhist or all Islamic. Turcomongols practiced all of these faiths and even Nestorian Christianity. However, in 1257 question, after Batu Khan who was a shamanist, Berkhe Khan came into power and he was one of the first Mongol Khans who instittuted a state religion to answer all the problems of the state and it was Islam.
At the same time, down in Persia, the Il-Khanate was ruled by a Nestorian Christian Mongol Khan from the Naiman tribe, Hulegu Khan, who waged war on the Muslims and burnt down Baghdad and conquered Syria, only to be stopped by the Mamelukes of Egypt, themselves Turcomen from Kipchak steppes mainly, who were warrior salves who rose up in revolt and took power to themselves, in no small part, aided by the political vaccum of Abbassid's Caliph's termination in Baghdad.
Still, farther east, Kublai Khan was Buddhist because he led his part of the Mongol Empire in China.
This is but one example, but many other factions were similarly not exactly one faith or another. Easiest way would be to follow if the leader is of the faith and then simplistically extend that faith over this subjects, but this was not the realit, that's all.
