Did anyone ever created a mod with

[WolfofLight]

Samurai and Ninja's, with the actual clothing for ninja's. With the faction etc and shogun faction and armor so forth? For single Player.

 

[Caba`drin]

Head to the Caravanserai (the released mod section). A number of Japanese mods. One simply called "Shogun" is likely the largest--has its own sub-board and everything so it is hard to miss.

 

[WolfofLight]

Well, I think I got that one, but its only samurai/shoguns no actual ninja's and you can't join a ninja village or clan. Because there are none. Also no ninjitsu clothing as well. Or outfits.

 

[Argeus the Paladin]

Because, surprise surprise, the so-called ninja clans didn't really have that big an impact on warfare in Japan even in their heydays expect being rather mythified spies and assassins, and for all their worth did not really belong to an open battlefield? The nearest equivalent of ninja outfit on the open field in M&B environ is the infiltration pilgrim suit - quarterstaff - throwing knives setup, which really is as useless as it sounds.

You want to emulate historical Japanese field warfare, forget the ninja archetype and their paper armor. Lacquered lamellar, scale and splinted armors with mirror plates are what you need.

 

[WolfofLight]

Umm you obviously don't know what ninjitsu is. Their fighting style was intended for their battles against multiple samurai. They were farmers and peasants who picked up a cause against the tyranny of their leaders and their troops who treated them like dogs.. So surprise, surprise they rebelled against the feudal imperial empire.
Also their armor was not as heavy as the samurai so they could move easier, and quicker. Which the samurais couldn't do in their full armor.

 

[Argeus the Paladin]

We could argue the same about the pilgrim suit in Warband. Fast to move in? Yes. Quarterstaff, good for beating the crap out of knights? Yes. Throwing knives that can be thrown into gaps in armors? Yes. The wearer is completely and utterly defenseless on the open battlefield owing to bows, crossbows, other people's throwing weapons and being swarmed by angry soldiers using standard military equipment? Hell yes. In short, regardless of country you don't go around wearing cloth to battle unless you really can't afford anything better.

Also, source please. Last time I checked, the Sengoku era was a civil war between land-holding nobles, not a peasant's war, unlike in contemporary China or Germany.

 

[WolfofLight]

Next time do your research or actually take up some martial arts.

http://asianhistory.about.com/od/warsinasia/p/NinjaProfile.htm

 

[Argeus the Paladin]

Excuse me? Assuming that this source is trustworthy, it actually contradicts what you are trying to proof.

The samurai lords could not always prevail in open warfare, but they were constrained by bushido. So, they often hired ninja to do their dirty work.

and

The Eight Methods taught in many ryu were: Body skills, karate, spear fighting, staff fighting, blade-throwing, use of fire and water, fortification and strategy, and concealment.

Many ninja weapons were modified from farm sickles, saws for wood cutting, pruning shears, etc. If discovered, these items would not give away a ninja's identity.

Among the ninja were expert poisoners. Poison was added to food, or applied to a dart or blade.

and

Ninja served a number of purposes during the Sengoku Period (1467-156. They acted as kancho (spies), koran (agitators), teisatsu (scouts), and kisho (surprise attackers).

shows that they are exactly what I said they are - clandestine agents, spies and assassins, not field combatants. Sure, the military might have made great use of them because everyone wants good recon and sabotage. But that does not mean they fought side-by-side with the regular ashigaru and samurai on the battle line in a pitched battle.

Oh, and the article also featured what did happen when they were forced to fight pitched battles:

Nobunaga's lightning-quick attack on Iga forced the ninja to fight open battles; they were defeated and scattered to nearby provinces or the mountains of Kii.

Predictably, no?

Most ordinary ninja were not from the nobility, though. They were villagers and farmers, who learned to fight by any means necessary for their own self-preservation.

Which does not means they rebelled against their feudal lords, just saying that they are lower-born. That kind of things does not happen that often, and when it does, is quickly put down because it seriously kills the feudal economy if left unchecked. The European equivalent would be saying how English longbowmen are oppressed freemen who practice the bow to shoot the nobles. That's just not true.

You might want a better source that support your claim that ninja have a place in M&B, a game where clandestine aspect of warfare is minimal and field battle is the norm. The one you gave me just proves the opposite.

 

[WolfofLight]

You do realize you are trying to argue with a person who studies the art of ninjitsu and is a shinobi in RL right? Which if you knew anything about martial arts it means we study our origins of our art.

    Who Were the Ninja?:

    Some of the ninja leaders, or jonin, were disgraced samurai like Daisuke Togakure. They had lost in battle or had been renounced by their daimyo, but fled rather than committing seppuku.

    Most ordinary ninja were not from the nobility, though. They were villagers and farmers, who learned to fight by any means necessary for their own self-preservation.

    The most famous ninja strongholds were the Iga and Koga Provinces.

    Women also served in ninja combat. Female ninja, or kunoichi, infiltrated enemy castles in the guise of dancers, concubines or servants. They were successful spies, and sometimes acted as assassins as well.
    Ninjutsu versus Bushido:

    Ninjutsu developed as an opposing force to the samurai code of bushido.

    Samurai valued loyalty and honor above all else.

    Going into battle, a samurai would select a single opponent, announce his challenge, list his family pedigree, and then attack. Samurai wore bright colors on their armor to announce their clan identity.

    Bushido was very noble, but it couldn't always get the job done.

    That is where ninjutsu came in: the ninja code valued accomplishing a mission by whatever means necessary. Sneak attacks, poison, seduction and spying were all shameful to the samurai, but fair play by the rules of the ninja.

    The Rise and Fall of the Ninja:

    The ninja came into their own during the tumultuous era between 1336 and 1600. In an atmosphere of constant war, ninja skills were essential for all sides.
    The Nanbukucho Wars (1336-1392)

    For more than 50 years in the 14th century, Japan had two separate imperial courts, which fought for control of the country.

    The Northern Court was controlled by the shoguns. The Southern Court belonged to Emperor Go-Daigo, who wanted to rule in his own right.

    Ninja played an important role on both sides in this struggle, infiltrating castles as spies, and even burning down the South's Hachiman-yama Fortress.

    The Northern Court eventually won, and the puppet-Emperor system was retained.
    The Onin War (1467-1477)

    About 70 years later, the Onin War broke out. Ninja featured heavily in this conflict, as well.

    The war began as a succession fight within the ruling Ashikaga clan, but soon devolved into a nation-wide civil war.

    Although the Onin War ended after 10 years, it ushered in a century of turmoil called the Sengoku Jidai, or "Warring States Period" (though it was actually samurai clans fighting, rather than states).

    Ninja served a number of purposes during the Sengoku Period (1467-156. They acted as kancho (spies), koran (agitators), teisatsu (scouts), and kisho (surprise attackers). They were most effective in castle sieges, infiltrating and distracting the defenders inside while the main besieging army attacked from outside.
    Destruction of the Ninja Bases (1581)

    The ninja were an important tool during the Sengoku Period, but a destabilizing influence. When war-lord Oda Nobunaga emerged as the strongest daimyo and began to reunite Japan (1551-1582), he saw the ninja strongholds at Iga and Koga as a threat.

    Nobunaga's lightning-quick attack on Iga forced the ninja to fight open battles; they were defeated and scattered to nearby provinces or the mountains of Kii.

    While their power-base was destroyed, the ninja did not vanish entirely. Some went into the service of Tokugawa Ieyasu, who later became shogun in 1603.

    The much-reduced ninja continued to serve both sides in struggles. In one famous incident from 1600, a ninja sneaked through a group of Tokugawa's defenders at Hataya castle, and planted the flag of the besieging army high on the front gate!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNj5HiCPx1I
Also here is actual masters that explained the origins of the shinobi code and its reasons for coming into existence so watch that and grab some form of knowledge.

By the way you do need to go back to school. What do you think happens to a disgraced samurai genius or self preservation is? Obviously you have no idea of the origins of my art. So do me the favor and keep your ignorance to yourself.

 

[Caba`drin]

Take it to the AG. Keep this about War band mods.

 

[WolfofLight]

Well maybe you can tell me whats wrong with the HOTD Mod. Oh btw I found a mod, its called Kengeki Gaiden.

 

[annallia]

You do realize you are trying to argue with a person who studies the art of ninjitsu and is a shinobi in RL right? Which if you knew anything about martial arts it means we study our origins of our art.

By the way you do need to go back to school. What do you think happens to a disgraced samurai genius or self preservation is? Obviously you have no idea of the origins of my art. So do me the favor and keep your ignorance to yourself.

Umm you obviously don't know what ninjitsu is. Their fighting style was intended for their battles against multiple samurai. They were farmers and peasants who picked up a cause against the tyranny of their leaders and their troops who treated them like dogs.. So surprise, surprise they rebelled against the feudal imperial empire.
Also their armor was not as heavy as the samurai so they could move easier, and quicker. Which the samurais couldn't do in their full armor.

You need a new teacher if the kind of things you have been saying in this thread are what he was teaching. Trained to fight multiple opponents? Sounds more like something someone who watches too many movies would say. They were trained to fight yes, but they were by no means unstoppable killing machines nor great field troops. Your enemies don't dance around you attacking you one at a time like they do in the movies, while you are parrying the attack from your front someone is thrusting their spear from your sides and back.

The true strength of the ninja came from the fear that the myths that surrounded them spread. Things discussed in that article are a prime example, of how their weapons looked like every day things, allowing them to conceal their attack. That was a powerful tool for them because you never knew if, when, or from where the attack would come. Strengths like that are absolutely wasted in the open field against an army. At that point their only advantage would be that they were likely better trained than your average soldier, professional soldiers however such as samurai were on more even footing than them.

Yes they wore lighter armor allowing them to move faster, and that works to your advantage in some respects specially defense, however when a blow was struck, it also meant it was more damaging.

 

[WolfofLight]

Seriously watch that youtube link before posting. For one we don't learn our history from our teachers, we learn them from our books in the dojo. kthxbai learn martial arts kiddies. Also these books date back to the 1300's, that were rewritten from the original books. Also I did not type they were trained to fight multiple opponents. I typed their style was to fight off samurai. Which majority of the times they are outnumbered their fighting style was created to fight the samurai in numbers. Seriously go pick up a book kid. Also you might want to stop harrassing my style of art in this forum. Its offensive and you need to back off. By the way you don't train your fighting style you master it these are two very different things. Also an admin said to keep it on topic. So I am locking it at this point since the kids here can't keep on the topic.

Take it to the AG. Keep this about War band mods.