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Medieval warfare was as brutal and terrifying as you might imagine. Soldiers fought for their lives in ferocious hand-to-hand combat using a variety of different weapons to protect themselves and defeat their opponents. Polearms, swords, maces and axes were used to devastating effect and anyone unlucky enough to be on the receiving end of a blow from one of these vicious weapons of war would certainly know about it.
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Dev Blog 19/04/18
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Cpt. Nemo 说:
Wasn't my post, but that's kind of where my mind went as well. Assuming that there's two outfits, one for battle and one for towns/etc., getting into a king's hall with a dagger sounds much more plausible than getting in with all your equipment, possibly allowing for assassination/kidnapping quests. Not confirmed, not mentioned, but makes sense for me, even if it's only a mod.
Wilhelmus Van Laecken
Regular
Rainbow Dash 说:
Wow thanks for being passive aggressive as fuuuuck.
I recommend you take your attitude somewhere else or take a break.
I'm not a part of the "realizm>fun" crowed you want to shove me in just because I said that balanced daggers would be fun. And I don't know why you even went off on Salmonsy by putting words in his mouth. He's not arguing for mercy killing in the game, he was referring to your "lol knights never used daggers ever seen a knight with a kitchen knife???" post and letting you know how they were used in the battlefield.
sealedknight
Recruit
Cool blog but
um
enough of the filler blogs.
Gib. Release. Date for Bannerlord.
um
enough of the filler blogs.
Gib. Release. Date for Bannerlord.
Cool blog, really.
Nothing new for anyone playing M&B for almost 10 years, of course, but very informative for any newbie. Not everyone interested in medieval stuffs (or even weapons in general) know that bardiches and spears are under the same category, nor that blunt weapons are average against all. Many think that spears are just as cool to use as a bow, and lighter than a sword, others think that maces are merely badass weapons that destroy metal, flesh, bone and spine.
Too bad I can't block twohanded axes with knives anymore... But the harvesting season made me chuckle. Good one, Mr. Callum.
Nothing new for anyone playing M&B for almost 10 years, of course, but very informative for any newbie. Not everyone interested in medieval stuffs (or even weapons in general) know that bardiches and spears are under the same category, nor that blunt weapons are average against all. Many think that spears are just as cool to use as a bow, and lighter than a sword, others think that maces are merely badass weapons that destroy metal, flesh, bone and spine.
Too bad I can't block twohanded axes with knives anymore... But the harvesting season made me chuckle. Good one, Mr. Callum.
Wait, Bannerlord will have SWORDS in it?
dudes wtf is this ****, this is the biggest pile of filler nonsense I've seen in years
In organized, tight formation-based battles, there would be virtually no room to swing longer swords or two-handed weapons, you're packed into a mosh pit and would hit your allies as much as your enemies. The obvious example is the Roman legions. In the classical/Republican period they used the Gladius, a short thrusting sword that was consistently shorter than the swords used by their opposition, particularly the Gauls, who used long slashing swords. That didn't mean that the longer sword won simply because it was longer, clearly. Shorter weapons are faster and more precise, and they don't require over a metre of room to use either. In the organized (and usually very slow) combat that the Romans participated in the shorter sword was superior for all the reasons listed, as well as the fact that you didn't wear yourself out after 10 minutes of fighting swinging some great piece of metal through the air.
dudes wtf is this ****, this is the biggest pile of filler nonsense I've seen in yearsRainbow Dash 说:
In organized, tight formation-based battles, there would be virtually no room to swing longer swords or two-handed weapons, you're packed into a mosh pit and would hit your allies as much as your enemies. The obvious example is the Roman legions. In the classical/Republican period they used the Gladius, a short thrusting sword that was consistently shorter than the swords used by their opposition, particularly the Gauls, who used long slashing swords. That didn't mean that the longer sword won simply because it was longer, clearly. Shorter weapons are faster and more precise, and they don't require over a metre of room to use either. In the organized (and usually very slow) combat that the Romans participated in the shorter sword was superior for all the reasons listed, as well as the fact that you didn't wear yourself out after 10 minutes of fighting swinging some great piece of metal through the air.
hiul
Sergeant at Arms
i think with weapon mechanism in bannerlord the knife is not bad especially if they are very close, making other weapon attack not very hurt because they are out of their potential damage reach, especially if many troop surround and stop enemy movement to swing properly (i dont know the correct term) it happen quite often in battle, and even better if we can equipped with shield (i forgot if we can or not never use knife anyway but looking at wiki it can) so we can block enemy attack just as the shield purpose is, a knife is good in close or narrow situation, and making it a good secondary or third weapon as it intent to be in medieval time.
It's almost harvesting season!
**** yeah bring it!
**** yeah bring it!
Callum_TaleWorlds 说:Ki-Ok Khan 说:
Every once in a while we will target a blog at people who are new to our games.
Every once i a while you should target your Rain Main like assburger-forumites , who literally have adapted to a whole new type of lifestyle, one in numerology, tea leaves reading, some lite sufi mysticsm with a final blend of 4chan mixed with the Aesops fables - in this mad stew they hope to shed light on the coming of The Second. Help them..No Really, Help them!!!!
Plebsi 说:Cool. you don't magically hide your pike now.
I hope 2handed swords aren't as OP as in Warband.
edit: oh and also pls nerf bardiches
Depends on how tall the grass is I suppose.
I think i'm going to arm my character with a flail and wear full plate armor, then we'll see ho effective a smack on the head with one of those is.
Good to see farming tools being used as weapons though, some of them can be quite effective. Most of the time they were less effective because of the kind of big difference between training to be a farmer and training to be a fighterSalmonsy
Veteran
wew lad, I've never seen a single person spilling all that spaghetti at onceRainbow Dash 说:
I didn't talk about gameplay, just your claim that 'knights wouldn't run around with a kitchen knife because lol that looks stupid'. As far as the gameplay is concerned, daggers can be fun if done right. I'd give them low base damage, no or almost no scaling with powerstrike and strength but full armor penetration. That way even INT or CHA builds could contribute to a battle by going after high value targets like the enemy lord or elite troops which would probably sport some of the best protection that's in the game. It's all about filling niches, a high STR build for example probably wouldn't need a dagger because the scaling would make other weapons a better choice. It's basically the same with crossbows vs. bows, both are ranged options that fill different niches. If you invest in STR and Power Draw, a good bow is obviously the better choice. If you don't, a crossbow makes more sense. Et cetera. It's all about choices and options. Funneling the player into one playstyle because all other playstyles aren't as viable or efficient is bad game design, Warband did that to an extent so I'm glad that
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Going to www.taleworlds.com is also not working for me.
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Nice! I like the kind of differentiation presented.
I just have a small issue: 2h axes needing the player to adjust the distance to the target to land an effective strike. IMO this should not be a feature; when using a 2 handed axe one can very quickly and easily slide hands on the shaft to adjust to the distance. I do realize this fact is impossible to represent in game, but could be simply taken into account and allow swings with axes to be effective at any distance, possibly reducing the damage output in very close quarters (an axe handled closer to the head certainly loses momentum and weight on impact but can still hit with the sharp bits ;p).
Also I hope that the "any and every hit from a blunt weapon will knock out opponents instead of killing them" feature will NOT be a thing in Bannerlord and a chance to just wound or incapacitate opponents will be present across the board instead (maybe just higher for certain kind of weapons)
Cheers!
I just have a small issue: 2h axes needing the player to adjust the distance to the target to land an effective strike. IMO this should not be a feature; when using a 2 handed axe one can very quickly and easily slide hands on the shaft to adjust to the distance. I do realize this fact is impossible to represent in game, but could be simply taken into account and allow swings with axes to be effective at any distance, possibly reducing the damage output in very close quarters (an axe handled closer to the head certainly loses momentum and weight on impact but can still hit with the sharp bits ;p).
Also I hope that the "any and every hit from a blunt weapon will knock out opponents instead of killing them" feature will NOT be a thing in Bannerlord and a chance to just wound or incapacitate opponents will be present across the board instead (maybe just higher for certain kind of weapons)
Cheers!
Roccoflipside 说:
'Honor' is misinterpreted. Honor in those days had little to do with the honor of today. Honor, was to distinguish yourself as a great knights. If your lord told you to kill some peasants, you went and killed some peasants. They had no qualms doing that.
Mercenaries were actually the only professional soldiers of the time period. That garrison of guards, yes it existed, but you didn't go to war with it. They defended castles. That's what garrisons are for. If you take your garrison along, who's gonna hold the castle if someone decided to attack it?
Mercs were very expensive yes. But they were not unreliable. They were the core of every army in the medieval era
Roccoflipside 说:
There were no centralized states in the medieval era. They were all feudal. The centralization started with the renaissance. Your point doesn't apply to the medieval era.
Roccoflipside 说:
A scythe doesn't have a piercing end. And that makes it completely useless in a formation. That makes it completely useless against armor too. Sure, you can him me with the cutting end of a scythe. It won't do much to neither my shield, or my padded armor. If I had mail, it would do absolutely nothing.
So no, it would not harvest men.
No peasant were stupid enough to believe they could become nobility, especially when the nobility really liked to drive that fact in. And the peasants did not earn money. They were conscripted, which means that they got into wars with no gain. They knew they were conscripted. They wouldn't go along with it if they had a say.
Yes it's different if an enemy army attacks and they're defending their homes. The morale of the defending army would be much higher.
Roccoflipside 说:
No he's not. He can now form a very effective formation. And I already told you why you wouldn't split them up; they would ruin the formations of the better soldiers. They're not trained for formations. They can not move around in them. They cannot coordinate maneuvers that the professional troops can. They can hold them very well, but that's their extent. They won't learn it from just one battle either.
Roccoflipside 说:
And movies get that wrong. There are few, if any, mentions of uniform equipments. There was no confusion on the battlefields either way. You can see which way a formation is pointing. That's enough to see who's your enemy and who's not.
And yes, I agree with what you said. Which is why they made sure that the peasants would have the equipment to be effective enough.
Roccoflipside 说:
I did not say they were useless. I said that they weren't very effective. They still had their place, and that was to fight other peasants in the same situation that the other lord fielded.
As I said, I find it to be extremely unlikely that the lord would allow them to go into battle without armor an with useless weapons. A spear isn't expensive, neither is a shield or a gambeson. Asking a peasant to buy them isn't a high demand.
You did not take every single peasant either. Someone still needs to tend to the lands. It is extremely likely that only the wealthier peasants were conscripted, because they would afford the equipment.
Roccoflipside 说:
'Ninja' weapons are a myth. Ninjas in general have a lot of fantasy around them.
Being a ninja was a job as a spy, and infiltrator or an agent. They did not have specialized weapons, and they were not a class which opposed the samurai. In fact, every single account of real ninjas come from distinguished samurai which also worked as ninja. For example Hattori Hanzo.
Nunchaku, shuriken etc have no historical connection to the ninja. Neither does the Ninjato which is a modern invention.
Shuriken were used by the samurai, and exist in a in a few of the Kenjutsu schools (which are not taught anymore).
Rackie 说:
I mentioned it because TW made it sound like they were used in real medieval battles. Which I'm very certain they were not
The Easy nine 说:
Military bills evolved from repurposed agricultural billhooks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_(weapon)
However, war scythes were different from farming scythes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rzQwzg5_mo
First blog i didn't read ! Maybe i'll forgot waiting for Bannerlord soon...
I apologies in advance, I appreciate your efforts to deal with children, but it's not realistic that' you'd be jumped in town with only a dagger, unless we're dealing with countries that ban weapons among the populace (which I doubt is a thing in wartorn calradia, given weapon hunts were more a peace time thing). Swords, smaller axes, clubs... All these things are appropriate sidearms that one could bring into towns without appearing to be a dangerous weirdo. Polearms, crossbows,longbows, great weapons were all "battlefield" weapons that you wouldn't bring into town, but you could carry a longsword at your hip in a tavern and wouldn't even have to bring up something like the second amendment.Bonky! 说:
But yeah, as daggers are now, they might as well be a fashion accessory put into their own slot, for the extreme case in which you actually do lose all your weapons somehow, but mostly as a fashion accessory. Daggers need a buff
