Dev Blog 17/08/17

[parsehtml]<p><img class="frame" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;" lang="en-GB" src="http://www.taleworlds.com/Images/News/blog_post_03_taleworldswebsite.png" alt="" width="575" height="300" /></p> <p>Greetings warriors of Calradia! Gamescom is around the corner, and as you may have imagined, we will be there showcasing Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord. We can’t tell you exactly what we will show just yet, but we can at least confirm that it will be something slightly different from the demo that we took to E3.</p></br> [/parsehtml]Read more at: http://www.taleworlds.com/en/Games/Bannerlord/Blog/21

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

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I've never been so insulted in my life. Pistols at dawn, BYOB. 

 

[TheDerebeyi]

I don't know what am i say now. The game is announced years ago. Now, in 2017, the say still the same things. Maybe they are working on 2 or more things, too. This is a expected thing. There over 60 peope and in a lot years Progress is in same speed. I belive, 2018 is full with big suprises about M&B II: Bannerlords.

 

[Mad Vader]

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I've never been so insulted in my life. Pistols at dawn, BYOB. 

Okay, "gaping" was pretty powerful, but there's just something about "3D Realms" on repeat.

 

[Shaxx]

To sum this up: the release date will be announced only when the game is ready.

Releasing without notice is not exactly a sound business decision, especially for such a small game franchise.

And how would setting a date and then pushing it back further and further be better than not giving a date we are not sure about?

Yet Taleworlds has been doing that... they mentioned in 2016 that it would be out in some form that year and then made the game visible on Steam, which historically means some form of release is not far off (at least not two years away) and then again in 2017 'some form this year' was stated, which at this point also sounds highly unlikely.

This is part of the reason why there is so much venom in the community, they feel that a nearing of release has been implied at different intervals and yet no release date is ever given even as the calendar passes the day they should of had it 'in some form'.

It is unrealistic and, frankly, completely fruit loops, to suggest a company or individual is going to invest heavily in a product and then fail to release it...

That happens all the time.  1, 2, 3.

To everyone else - Diablo 3 was in development for 11 years. If we go by that then TW have another 6 years to perfect Bannerlord 

It had also sold 30million copies after 3 years of its release and was still the 10th most popular game. So that's what 11 years of hype does for you... Cant wait to play Bannerlord in 2023 

The difference being that Diablo had a much larger name as a franchise and a much more powerful host company to advertise for it to draw in sales. Mount and Blade has 1 and a half games, a few subsidiary titles based on it's engine and Taleworlds is largely unknown in most gaming circles.

But here's the trick, knowing or not knowing you will wait anyhow, or do you have another option? it's not like you have to choose to take action for....
Your only option is to live your life in the mean time. 

Having been in a few guilds with swaths of peasantry less fortunate gamers, many of them have to plan months in advance to be able to have the 60$ to buy a game.

Sure, they'll release it "when it's ready" they may never view it as ready. They're trying to make a perfect game....I mean come on

Again, that's not how to run a business.

That is the point.

Chasing perfection is a rabbit hole many a developer has fallen into never to return from, you enter Freelancer/Star Citizen territory of hunting the greatest result possible with current technology only for current technology to improve in the time it takes to do that, lengthening the track on which you are running, never achieving your goal.

At some interval in this pursuit you always hit a point, had you released earlier with a less ambitious project, not only would have the income from that development but also a more established brand for this upcoming title, which you could be nearly finished making for a second payday and further brand establishment... but it has to be perfect, so none of those happen and you start etching into time that you could have potentially released 3 titles and so on and so forth (in this case encroaching 8 years).

Now take into consideration that at any moment any or all of the game developers could be thrown into a Turkish gulag if one of them says the wrong thing on Twitter, is found to possess U.S. currency, is discovered that they attended a Gulen School for a short period of time or get caught up in some other new ghoulish purge, law, restriction or ban that brands them traitors to the state or as undesirables, this pursuit of perfection is an increasingly dangerous to the idea of an actual release of the game.

The above of which is why honestly, we should all actually care very little what happens with a game, there are clearly more important things in the world to concern oneself with than whether a specific game is released or not.

 

[Brixius]

I understand not having a release date but can i suggest an alternative like a percentage of completion like:
Combat: 50%
Battles: 50%
Sieges:  50%
Towns/Cities: 50%
Companions: 50%
Multiplayer: 50%

Total Completion: 50%

Just an example. It's not a release date and lets us know that there is progress.

 

[Count Delinard]

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Waah waah whine whine 3D Realms complain complain 3D Realms sob sob 3D Realms moan moan 3D Realms personal issues 3D Realms rage rage 3D Realms

First of all, this isn't 3D Realms. Saying 3D REALMS FOLDED SO TW WILL TOO is like saying HEY THERE'S A WAR IN THE CONGO SO THERE WILL BE A WAR HERE TOO! Just because it happened somewhere else doesn't mean it will happen here.

Second, I hope all you naysayers and complainers realise that when Bannerlord is released, you're all going to look like massive buttholes. Like, gaping. Predicting the doom and demise of the project just so you can have the satisfaction of stroking your delicate ego and gloating HAHA TOLD U SO in the unlikely event that something goes wrong and no game is ever released, is the height of dickery, and definitely not the sort of community-building mentality that a true game fan ought to engage in. Is some criticism of the previous communication (or lack thereof) and the length of time it's taken to get this far warranted? Sure, and several posters have already expressed their disappointment like actual human beings. If I was a Dev reading this thread (and they do) I would think, "Wow, some of our customers are tantrum-throwing children" and it would not fill me with enthusiasm for engaging with the community.

Now pick up your toys and grow up.

Spot on, Llandy.

We do not have to agree with their practices (from a business perspective, not working with a release window or at least flexible quarter is something I myself don't agree with) but there are ways to maturely express this and then there is whimsical egocentric behavior . Choose wisely.

 

[Lofar]

Thanks for the communication - despite some of the more negative comments on this thread the increased activity is really, really encouraging and satisfying.

Personally I prefer that the artists and creators have as much time as they need to make the thing they're best equipped to make. After all - they are the professionals and they are the ones who the negatively-inclined are going to whine to when they find a little detail they don't like.

Good things come to those who wait, and this is Good to the power of at least 9 already.

 

[Shaxx]

Thanks for the communication - despite some of the more negative comments on this thread the increased activity is really, really encouraging and satisfying.

Personally I prefer that the artists and creators have as much time as they need to make the thing they're best equipped to make. After all - they are the professionals and they are the ones who the negatively-inclined are going to whine to when they find a little detail they don't like.

Good things come to those who wait, and this is Good to the power of at least 9 already.

A problem with this being the team could at any point be swept up whole or in part in a government purge if they are suspected of dissent in their country. Which by all appearances can arise from one misplaced comment on twitter, possessing U.S. currency, talking to the wrong foreigner and so and so forth as I mentioned in a previous post on page 7 (and with actual citations for sources).

That all might sound crazy, but Google it, there are plenty of reputable news outlets covering Turkey's descent into darkness. Things are very bad there right now after a recent failed coupe made an increasingly totalitarian regime more... totalitarian.

Time is not on their side.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

A problem with this being the team could at any point be swept up whole or in part in a government purge if they are suspected of dissent in their country. Which by all appearances can arise from one misplaced comment on twitter, possessing U.S. currency, talking to the wrong foreigner and so and so forth. I have a more detailed description on page 7 with citation and reputable sources as examples of what could happen.

Time is not on their side.

And tomorrow, a stray meteor could fail to burn up in the atmosphere and impact the Earth's surface, triggering a modern-day equivalent of the K/T event.

Hurry, Devs, before we're all doomed!

 

[Lofar]

Thanks for the communication - despite some of the more negative comments on this thread the increased activity is really, really encouraging and satisfying.

Personally I prefer that the artists and creators have as much time as they need to make the thing they're best equipped to make. After all - they are the professionals and they are the ones who the negatively-inclined are going to whine to when they find a little detail they don't like.

Good things come to those who wait, and this is Good to the power of at least 9 already.

A problem with this being the team could at any point be swept up whole or in part in a government purge if they are suspected of dissent in their country. Which by all appearances can arise from one misplaced comment on twitter, possessing U.S. currency, talking to the wrong foreigner and so and so forth. I have a more detailed description on page 7 with citation and reputable sources as examples of what could happen.

Time is not on their side.

There's a multitude of possible negative scenarios that could prevent everyone of us from ever seeing this game. I won't stop those things from keeping me hopeful and grateful that Bannerlord comes out in the form intended by it's creators.

Even if time isn't on their side as you claim, I still can be.

 

[Mad Vader]

Time is not on their side.

One of their employees might have Ebola.
Find patient zero before it's too late!

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

One of their employees might have Ebola.
Find patient zero before it's too late!

Dodgy batch of beyaz peynir causes food poisoning across the whole office.

Devs should not risk eating food!

 

[Shaxx]

A problem with this being the team could at any point be swept up whole or in part in a government purge if they are suspected of dissent in their country. Which by all appearances can arise from one misplaced comment on twitter, possessing U.S. currency, talking to the wrong foreigner and so and so forth. I have a more detailed description on page 7 with citation and reputable sources as examples of what could happen.

Time is not on their side.

And tomorrow, a stray meteor could fail to burn up in the atmosphere and impact the Earth's surface, triggering a modern-day equivalent of the K/T event.

Hurry, Devs, before we're all doomed!

They have U.S. citizens on payroll, it is very possible that the increasing paranoia of the Turkish government could suddenly declare them spies and anything they are affiliated with as a CIA front, and any native citizens attached to said front as collaborators.

These things are happening all the time over there.

Considerably more likely than anything you or others mentioned, all of which by the way without any credible citations to back up something as ridiculous as another extinction level Cretaceous–Paleogene event occurring in the near future.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

Considerably more likely than anything you or others mentioned, all of which by the way without any credible citations to back up such unlikely ridiculousness.

You need a more credible citation than the geological record which clearly shows the K/T event in the form of iridium-laced deposits at the K-Pg boundary???

Unlike words in books or in digital form, the entire world's geological record can't be faked. Meteors are real. They happen. They kill people. They kill animals. Tomorrow, they might kill you.

(Edit: P.S. Ebola and food poisoning are also real)

 

[Shaxx]

Considerably more likely than anything you or others mentioned, all of which by the way without any credible citations to back up such unlikely ridiculousness.

You need a more credible citation than the geological record which clearly shows the K/T event in the form of iridium-laced deposits at the K-Pg boundary???

Unlike words in books or in digital form, the entire world's geological record can't be faked. Meteors are real. They happen. They kill people. They kill animals. Tomorrow, they might kill you.

I ask for reputable sources, you cite Wikipedia, that thing literally anyone can edit.

Also you did not actually cite anything prior to this post, you just said something on the internet. It was not that I didn't believe in the widely known event in which you spoke, but rather that my argument was inherently stronger via the presence of reputable sources being provided for the things that I was saying.

And my point was not that meteors/ebola/food poisoning don't do this or that, but rather that they statistically, in Turkey, could not hope to reach a human toll of what it's government does to it's own people for rather silly things.

Based on sheer probability, my assertions are far more reasonable than a recurrence of something like the K/T event.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

I ask for reputable sources, you cite Wikipedia, that thing literally anyone can edit.

But you can't edit the geological record. It's basically millions of years' worth of rocks, and it's everywhere.

And my point was not that meteors/ebola/food poisoning don't do this or that...

And the point of everybody else was, if you're going to scaremonger and sensationalise, do it big.

 

[Shaxx]

I ask for reputable sources, you cite Wikipedia, that thing literally anyone can edit.

But you can't edit the geological record. It's basically millions of years' worth of rocks, and it's everywhere.

Then cite that next time and save yourself some embarrassment.

And my point was not that meteors/ebola/food poisoning don't do this or that...

And the point of everybody else was, if you're going to scaremonger and sensationalise, do it big.

Or do it sensibly, you might as well be talking about the threat meteors posed to communists in 1940 Europe as opposed to from the NSDAP.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

Dude, you're too funny, thanks for the LOLs!   And the implication that you didn't already know about the K/T boundary... even funnier! Bringing in Godwin's law finishes off this tangent nicely. Now that we've finally come around to Nazis, let's get back to discussing the Dev Blog, rather than how the Turkish government is about to swoop down on TW HQ and arrest all their employees for crimes against the state.

 

[Shaxx]

And the implication that you didn't already know about the K/T boundary... even funnier!

I never doubted the voracity of your widely known claim, it is taught in primary school/whatever the equivalent is from where you are.

I was just making fun of you for citing Wikipedia, that made my day.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

Always happy to entertain!

Now, Dev Blog...