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Dev Blog 11/10/18
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Hnnngggghh. The noise I’m making straining with the waiting for new blog. I frigging just woke up at 5am natural alarm clock because my bodies get so used to when the blog usually drops.
Now I’m here awake with no blog when I should be still asleep
Now I’m here awake with no blog when I should be still asleep
Revverie
Callum is dead
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I don't know what to do now.
Does someone plays online poker or something? Habbo hotel?
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I don't know what to do now.
Does someone plays online poker or something? Habbo hotel?
CKyHC
I hope he just does a lot of gif animation.
CKyHC
...no 
Revverie
Let's play a game, the first 3 emoji in you phones describe how you feel about no release date ??? (huh this doesn't makes sense)
Dayum it’s almost 9pm here, must be an informative blog I hope....
TehRalph said:
Particularly, as a former BR Jiu-Jitsu and Judo competitive fighter, I find these melees to be silly, like a bunch of guys who know little of what they are doing swinging sticks in costumes...
I've found some people with more serious and educated knowledge that actually show how bio-mechanics would be properly applied to medieval martial arts, I'd even argue that some HEMA schools have it all wrong (due to the fact that the only martial knowledge they have are readings of old texts). So, using these as proof of anything is kind off silly, to actually get to realistic answers one would have to make a thorough research on both HEMA and history, along with the help of professional fighters from different backgrounds. Maybe even enlist the help of bio-mechanics specialists to come to better terms and results at the end... That's the only realistic way I believe to really get a grasp of what was the real medieval martial arts along the centuries.
I do believe that the Viking one might've been the most effective, but due to technological changes (within medieval times) it was rendered useless, and it's likely that everything that came afterwards was based upon their martial style... The reasons are many to believe this but I'm not here to make this into a history / human-behavior debate, just to point out that these melees are not a reliable source to debate anything other than how well someone performed or who won said melee...
Definitely agree w/ above. A bunch of people in modern plate swinging bllunted & specially crafted weapons at each other in a mish-mash is completely different from people in various forms of armor, from plate to literally nothing, actually trying to kill each other with legit weapons. Add in that we're talking about a game/time period where there (should be) is almost no plate armor, and it's like the video actually has nothing to do with the discussion...
As far as how powerful a blow to the body is, that would be effected by the amt. of armor. A good plate will actually absorb a lot of the blow, as it's rigid, but maillle, even with padding/backing, is much more flexible, meaning even if it stops a cut, much of the force is still transferred to the wearer. As for how much damage a blow to the torso can do, don't forget that Harry Houdini was killed by a punch to the stomach when he wasn't expecting it (part of his show was to let people hit him as hard as possible in the stomach, someone surprised him while he was leaving a show, punched him in the stomach, and ruptured a bunch of internal organs). Sure, in a battle you'll be expecting to get hit, but you can't possibly see every attack coming your way, nor prepare yourself mentally/physically against every blow you might take.
As far as how powerful a blow to the body is, that would be effected by the amt. of armor. A good plate will actually absorb a lot of the blow, as it's rigid, but maillle, even with padding/backing, is much more flexible, meaning even if it stops a cut, much of the force is still transferred to the wearer. As for how much damage a blow to the torso can do, don't forget that Harry Houdini was killed by a punch to the stomach when he wasn't expecting it (part of his show was to let people hit him as hard as possible in the stomach, someone surprised him while he was leaving a show, punched him in the stomach, and ruptured a bunch of internal organs). Sure, in a battle you'll be expecting to get hit, but you can't possibly see every attack coming your way, nor prepare yourself mentally/physically against every blow you might take.
Roccoflipside said:
Your last paragraph leads me to some interesting discussion tbh, which's partial-dodging, we do it in Jiu-Jitsu and Judo more than in any other fighting style, you use bio-mechanics, force and your own agility to alleviate incoming force, and at times you'll use said force in your favor. This can be found in most direct contact fighting arts too, like Karate, Tae Kwon and Kung Fu... So, someone comes to hit you with a sword, sometimes you won't have time to dodge it completely, but you might have time for a partial dodge that might make the blow completely useless... In that case, I can see how even lightly armored people could avoid death or severe injury during real fights. In fact, under some cases I'd wager that they'd even use such situation to finish off their opponents, disarm them or even destroy their weapons...
I assume you're speaking of turning with the blow, or catching a blow and using that momentum to your advantage. If so, you're absolutely right, a well trained fighter can use an opponent's blow against them, even if the blow connects. However, most people on a medieval (esp. European) battlefield would not have that kind of training.
If that's not what you're referencing, then I would love to hear/see examples of what you are talking about.
If that's not what you're referencing, then I would love to hear/see examples of what you are talking about.
Your main point as regards the value of such melees may be correct (and I indeed agree with it), but:
This is utterly ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous even, to the point where it's not just not right; it's not even wrong. just flat out worthless. It completely ignores everything we know about how "Vikings" fought, about how their opponents fought, and the general development of military styles and trends and developments throughout medieval history, not to mention being ridiculously Eurocentric. Just what on earth could lead you to make such a statement?xdj1nn said:
xdj1nn said:
What do you mean Viking martial arts? We hardly do know anything about how they fought. There are no treatiesies, just few tales written in Sagas (which were for entertaiment purposes, you can't really believe them too much) or visual art. Modern reanactors try to discover how they might have fought (like Roland Warzecha I pasted) but that;s all. How can you state, that martial art that we know nothing about is most effective. On what grounds?
Other thing is, all martial discussions have to take into consideration context. Is it about duel combat, or is it about battle conditions? In battles Vikings did not use any special martial arts, they formed a shieldwall with pointy spears, light, deadly fast axes, swords (for rich and leaders mainly) and their invention - dane axes. Nothing here that cultures all around the world did not invent.
And considering shieldwall tactics, Vikings were nothing as profficient in it as Roman Legions in their prime periods.
So it's kinda weird statement, that Viking's martial art's were the best. In duel situations, we have no clue. In battles, they were not really that impressive. Why would you claim such a thing?
Their superiority compared to anglo-saxons, which used military systems akin to the rest of Europe. While in desert areas and Asia there was a trend on mounted-archery, in the Medieval European world it was mostly about infantry (only changing with the creation of stirrups, which allowed for more efficient cavalry that could fight way more effectively on horse-back, giving room for the knight age). Given that I've seen some more recent studies about Viking fighting style, which in fact originated wrestling, and how they've used their weapons (being the Shield the main weapon for them), they'd use locks and wrestling logic in their fighting, my guess is that's what ended up originating sword binding techniques, because at that time (viking era) they'd use shield-bindings and take such locks to their advantage. They've invaded almost all of Europe (the Germanic people), and were favored by even the Romans before that for Armies. It's kind of obvious that they had the upper-hand/superior techniques, much of that I'd give credit towards their warring culture... Not the mention how Vikings were recruited into certain kingdoms, IE: France, and obviously started teaching their knowledge to locals over time...Antoine de Saint-Exupéry said:
So, "Just what on earth could lead you to make such a statement?" sh*tloads of studies regarding the subject lead me to such a statement. Add to that the fact that people are not completely stupid, so they'd obviously start to learn the superior techniques for their own sake.
Oh, btw, they were the core and origin of the Varangian Guard which's regarded as one of the most elite warriors in Medieval Times... So yeah...
If you search hard enough you all can find people who are dedicated into studying their fighting styles... Most of the time you are going to find clueless fools though, people who don't even understand martial arts at all...
But since this is a very controversial subject I take no offense, even if you've been rude about it haha
xdj1nn said:
1. Anglo-saxons used primarly same tactics (in fact we do know about most of the battles of pre hastings viking invasions from their side (Anglo-Saxon Chronicle). They fought in virtually simillar fashion, maybe with an exception of being less mobile (less ships) and owning more burhs.
2. Anglo-saxons recorded many victories against Vikings. Is this supposed to be an example of some mastery of viking warriors?
Stirrups were not invented in Europe, they were brought by Huns (5th cent). Later on German tribes forced to join their confederation adopted them, and from them, rest of germanic people. And than they conquered most of Europe anyway so by the time Awars invaded, stirrups were already widespread.
Again. We know nothing of Viking fighting style. They are all just assumptions, dude.
We do however know that ancient Greeks loved wrestling. Ages before term Viking was coined.
Allegedly. No confirmed source.
I'd say your guess is as good as anyone's.
Whooaaa?
We count germanic ppl as Vikings now? Did you just not say that they beat the crap out of anglo-saxon? As in germanic tribes that took over most of Britain?
They were not favoured. Initially only roman citzens could serve as legionaires, rest as auxilia. And germanic tribes were valued greatly, but so were many other populations. Later on non-citzens were allowed into legions and yeah, germanic tribesman filled the ranks. They volountereed, noone favoured them over any1 else.
Unless you refer to Equites Singulares Augusti (emperor bodyguards after Trajan). But they were not line unit.
Who?
Germanic tribes?
Vikings?
Scandinavians?
Can we please pick a term and stick to it?
Can you provide 5 examples of NOT WARRING barbaric cultures?
Rather other way around.
When Willhelm the Conqueror won at Hastings he did it mainly with heavy cav. Frankish style. He spoke Frankish, he dressed frankish, he ate like a Frank. Basically he was a Frank.
BTW: Franks (or French) are also germanic tribe. So yeah, according to you they started teaching their knowledge to ... themselves...
Please, reveal them.
To my knowledge there is no data on any viking martial arts. Just speculations.
Of course they did.
Just as Anglo-Saxons did. Or Franks. Or Slavs. Or ... any1 really.
Fighting in shield wall is not rocket since though. You do not need fancy techniques of modern BJJ.
So you pick elites of elites who served as mercenary and you just assume, that whole nations were as good? I do not get this example. There were many slavs serving in arabic califates as elite warriors. What does it mean?
Only that some of them reach high profficency in melee fighting. Nothing else.
That's not how history works.
Yeah, no, your entire argument is built on an inherent lack of understanding of history. Dr4gunov was kind enough to point out many of the main problems, so I can safely leave it at that. Just please be aware that you're very, very wrong about this. And no, I wasn't particularly rude.xdj1nn said:
xdj1nn... not your best work.
KhergitLancer80
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There was a thread where we were giving Taleworlds future game ideas. Can someone share me the link for that ?
