Debating implementation of a Reaction/Like system

[Lord Brutus]

I will never be in favor of lowering the entry barrier to what Delinard referred to as "the silent majority." The bannerlord section is full of not-so-silent majority users, many of whom have little understanding of what they are posting. Adding an up-vote system would soon become a disaster. Leave that for social media. How many threads are there about co-op, started by people too lazy or stupid to search?

 

[Emil]

If only we had these things called "words" which could be used to show support or disapproval for an opinion or topic.

I find seeing ''+1'' comments more obstructive than a reaction.

If anyone wants to gauge support for an issue, they can just make a thread and count the posts, or even use a poll. I'd prefer this place not turn into a reddit-style voting hivemind.

But it won't even look like the reddit karma system? Apparently, the idea of having a way to react to individual posts without obstructing the entire discussion is ridiculous. It's possible to act as an annoying hivemind without a karma system, but let's not go to page 1.

XenForo as well as Invision Community Suite has the option to actually create proper reactions and not just like/dislike. Currently, they're toggled on in the Media page of the TaleWorlds forums, but with two rather vague-meaning emojis. NRP/JB/NARC/KOC forums currently has emojis such as laugh, sad/cry, happy, etc reaction available as reactions. For those who want an actual preview of how it might be implemented and might look.

 

[Antoine de Saint-Exupéry]

I find seeing ''+1'' comments more obstructive than a reaction.

luckily for you, "+1" comments are against the rules anyway.

 

[Evelyn]

And not at all what I was talking about when I said that we had words for such things. Incidentally, you used your words for such a thing, what a concept! I bet you didn't think you had it in you, but you did. We're all very impressed, congratulations.

 

[Cioss]

XenForo as well as Invision Community Suite has the option to actually create proper reactions and not just like/dislike. Currently, they're toggled on in the Media page of the TaleWorlds forums, but with two rather vague-meaning emojis. NRP/JB/NARC/KOC forums currently has emojis such as laugh, sad/cry, happy, etc reaction available as reactions. For those who want an actual preview of how it might be implemented and might look.

Cioss liked this.

 

[D.O.A.]

If anyone wants to gauge support for an issue, they can just make a thread and count the posts, or even use a poll. I'd prefer this place not turn into a reddit-style voting hivemind.

so you're saying core xenforo rating functions are too much like Reddit for you personally to handle? Wtf lol okay *pats you on head*

I run a large forum with 80,000 users for 10+ years, on VB 3.8 through xenforo 2.0. You sound clueless at best, ignorant at worst. Turn off the PM's now bro, it's just like email must be redundant ??

If anything, admin being worried for some reason is why ratings are not switched on here. It's literally a on/off switch. God help if some 12 year old gets downvoted and whines to you mods, you might have to do some actual work!

Your reply is a complete cop-out.

 

[Evelyn]

Hey now, don't jump in and attack the admins and mods out of the ****ing blue. If you've spent any time here at all you'd know that there's plenty of work for them to do that doesn't involve being talked down to by people like you. Nemo has an opinion just like everybody else has the right to have an opinion on the subject, and just because it's an opinion that runs contrary to yours doesn't mean his moderatorship is suddenly in question, lol. Get a grip.

 

[Emil]

Get a grip.

I've seen a bunch of comments which you could define as being sarcastic and aggressive in this thread, unfortunately I don't know if such things are allowed in this forum due to it not clearly being about suggestions. However, it'd be pleasant to get rid off a bunch of unnecessary gifs and other jokes (as that goes against the rules with advertisement/spam rule, which I myself has a point for), since we should all use logical arguments, and not bully other users into silence.

luckily for you, "+1" comments are against the rules anyway.

It was not meant as the sole literal example, but even like this:

Cioss liked this.

It's just obstructive, doesn't bring anything new to the discussion and might as well just be a like or reaction, even if I appreciate the gesture.
But then again, let's ignore all the fully functioning communities using the system without any issues, because we're above/underneath them.
Just some games I've got: Destiny 2 (upvote thread), Star Citizen (users reproduce issues), Minecraft (upvote thread), AoE (upvote post).

Edit: I'm not entirely for OPs suggestion. I would still like the natural ''last posted/reply''-option to be default. However, I do see the benefits of having such a system restricted to the suggestions forums, as a way to better get an overview of what a lot of users find being interesting additions (even if the whole god damn community isn't sitting 24/7 in a suggestions forum). If that system is deemed unreasonable, then a like system that isn't intervening with hierarchy would be nice just to be able to gain an overview of the most liked content this week/month/year.

 

[Count Delinard]

so you're saying core xenforo rating functions are too much like Reddit for you personally to handle?

This has nothing to do with Nemo personally handling anything, don't make assumptions.

you might have to do some actual work!

You yourself have no idea of our workload or what we do, which doesn't only involve rules enforcement. Again, making assumptions you should not do.

Wtf lol okay *pats you on head*

Yeah, no.

Tone it down, buddy.

 

[Ikea Knight]

I would agree with you if the developers hadn't already ignored entire megathreads of carefully documented and organised game issues.

Sad but true. But that is a decision by Taleworlds and doesn't make the feature necessarily bad.

For modding or game-related question threads it makes sense for the author to be able to highlight the correct fix and have it displayed next to the post. But I don't think having an upvote system which anyone can contribute to is a good idea.

The current modding forum already has the best answer system, which covers that. And I agree with you an upvote system is not suited for these posts.

But I still think that suggestions for mods or for devs should have some way to again traction if it is a popular idea other than simply the amount of comments. I tried to come up with a different idea but an upvote system seems to be the best solution.

I am thinking along the lines of " Suggestion: add Elephants to the game"
Or " Suggestion put Praven into your persistant Kingdom mods"

Simple stuff where everybody, even users that are not vocal can contribute by the simple push of a button.

I don't think that upvoting should or can replace complex discussions and even though polys can be helpful, ultimatly I think they can't do that easier. And that's good. Forums should be about communication and interaction.

But then again, let's ignore all the fully functioning communities using the system without any issues, because we're above/underneath them.

In the end of the day, the forum has worked the way it is just fine. A lot of people still would rather see the old version, even without it's improvement of life features.

But if there is no change we have to live with "+1" . That it is "against the rules" doesn't seem to bother anyone.

 

[BM309K58SMERCH]

Personally I'd vote for a twcenter style system where you give +rep to users for a helpful/amusing/insightful...etc post. The user's total reputation is shown as symbols under the account name. It doesn't promote the post, but the poster instead, so it's irrelevant to this thread's topic, but I digress.

 

[Ikea Knight]

Personally I'd vote for a twcenter style system where you give +rep to users for a helpful/amusing/insightful...etc post. The user's total reputation is shown as symbols under the account name. It doesn't promote the post, but the poster instead, so it's irrelevant to this thread's topic, but I digress.

Isn't that just like a secondary Forum Rank?
I'd personally rather have users and content seperated as best as possible.
I think it is a bad thing that the rank you currently have can lead to bias against your content as I mentioned in a previous post.
Also couldn't this system lead to I don't know "Karma Spamming" where everybody is prostituting themselves for a good Reputation? ( I am not active on TW center so I have no experience with that.)

 

[Antoine de Saint-Exupéry]

twc's system is hot garbage.

 

[Uesugi Kenshin]

An acceptable compromise would be PDX Forums "Agree", "Respectfully Disagree" and "Helpful" buttons in my opinion.

 

[Evelyn]

Paradoxplaza's react system also lends itself heavily towards group think and is effectively the same thing as le updoots and le downdoots. There's a reason that on Imgur the actual vote ratios are hidden, and on Reddit the points themselves are obfuscated. Jacob posted example earlier about how even facebook's "Like" systems can influence the attitude around an argument, and that's something that I don't think this forum should have. Opinion should be influenced by proper discourse, discussion should be had by those with supporting points, arguments, and opinions. I think X, because Y. If you can't spend a couple of minutes adding your thoughts and reasoning to your viewpoint, why should you be able to influence opinion and atmosphere about a subject? For all anybody knows, you could be le updooting something for the sole reason that you like the color of it or whatever, even though that doesn't make sense, but nobody will know that that's why you're doing it and they'll still think that public opinion is more in favor of that stance because of a number backing it. The forum does not need numbers.

 

[Emil]

Paradoxplaza's react system also lends itself heavily towards group think and is effectively the same thing as le updoots and le downdoots. There's a reason that on Imgur the actual vote ratios are hidden, and on Reddit the points themselves are obfuscated. Jacob posted example earlier about how even facebook's "Like" systems can influence the attitude around an argument, and that's something that I don't think this forum should have. Opinion should be influenced by proper discourse, discussion should be had by those with supporting points, arguments, and opinions. I think X, because Y. If you can't spend a couple of minutes adding your thoughts and reasoning to your viewpoint, why should you be able to influence opinion and atmosphere about a subject? For all anybody knows, you could be le updooting something for the sole reason that you like the color of it or whatever, even though that doesn't make sense, but nobody will know that that's why you're doing it and they'll still think that public opinion is more in favor of that stance because of a number backing it. The forum does not need numbers.

You seem to be against all and any react/like-system (I did write some alternatives on how such a system could be implemented in my previous post). Sure, there might be some legit worry about the forums becoming an (even harsher) echo-chamber without the need to always write elaborate comments (as page 1 demonstrated), meanwhile there are sites where such a vote-suggestion system works (again see the examples in my post). However, there's no harm in giving it a try and seeing whether it works or not instead of going all hypothetical about it.

You are worried about it being possible to misrepresent a majority with numbers, but there's a reason why anything gains popularity after all. It's possible to ignore numbers, just as easily it's to ignore posts. There are plenty of solutions to circumvent a moshpit of chaos, as far as I know two individuals who've seen the possibilities has advocated for them, then again I don't know how much you've read into the XenForo forum software.

 

[Evelyn]

I am absolutely against any and all react/like-systems. It's possible to ignore numbers, yes, but they're considerably more in-your-face than actually reading people's thoughts and arguments to influence your own opinion. "haha number go up" vs. reading well-reasoned arguments on the subject, so your opinion can be influenced without actually understanding why, or needing to be convinced - just seeing a big number.

 

[Zombie Warrior]

@Emil Why go around taking risks? Wouldn't you rather prevent than repair?

 

[Emil]

@Emil Why go around taking risks? Wouldn't you rather prevent than repair?

It's not a large risk to take if you can revert it with a press of a button. Imagine if science had the same motto. No-one would risk inventing new stuff even if it might lead to vaccines or other breakthroughs in medicine or further advancing our species in environmental-friendly ways or reach for the stars because going to space is a risk. You'll just have to live with dynamite, which was excellent in mining and still is, also lead to explosives being used in war. But to remain on topic, I've provided well enough of sources where a point system for suggestions is working splendidly and might assist moderators in keeping the correct and most rational or liked threads automatically pinned.

 

[Cioss]

Recently I feel like those who oppose any kind of reaction system are somewhat internet conservatives. They don't want to lose the system that they used to see everyday I guess. Just a 'guess' coming from my ass though.