Debate or Discuss on The Economy right now - Pros, Cons and Ideas to make Calradia an better place

[Flesson19]

I would suggest against it crashes are a lot more frequent very late game even with no fights and the extra recording could make it worse

I really want video proof so it makes it easier to go back to certain points and see if the problem exists there, and I also do a save after every episode, so if there is a problem I can back up to last episode and redo it

 

[HugoTheFrenchMan]

I really want video proof so it makes it easier to go back to certain points and see if the problem exists there, and I also do a save after every episode, so if there is a problem I can back up to last episode and redo it

The problem would be save corruption i have had a few saves corrupted due to im pretty sure the game no longer being able to calculate all the massive values so mabye just the important bits

 

[Flesson19]

The problem would be save corruption i have had a few saves corrupted due to im pretty sure the game no longer being able to calculate all the massive values so mabye just the important bits

thats why i save after every episode saved, so i can backtrack if there is a corruption\
Also I got a message from @mexxico , he is very busy dealing with policy issues that are needing his full attention for atleast 1 month so we can keep getting issues documented that come up and I will document them all and can present them when he messages me that he is free again to work on economy

 

[HugoTheFrenchMan]

thats why i save after every episode saved, so i can backtrack if there is a corruption\
Also I got a message from @mexxico , he is very busy dealing with policy issues that are needing his full attention for atleast 1 month so we can keep getting issues documented that come up and I will document them all and can present them when he messages me that he is free again to work on economy

Ok i saw that i hope your tests go well still lets discuss other parts of the economy instead of just caravans since there are still other problems and we may be able to come up with a solution

 

[Flesson19]

Ok i saw that i hope your tests go well still lets discuss other parts of the economy instead of just caravans since there are still other problems and we may be able to come up with a solution

@mexxico said he will be watching these as I told him we are discussing this so he will see it and if a game breaking issue comes up he will deal with it. But for now working on the policy issues, so if you find something game breaking make sure you write it here or keep coming up with ideas and suggestions and he can see them

 

[stevehoos]

Is the tannery problem still present? Last game I tested them and they made 0 income in every town.

 

[mexxico]

thats why i save after every episode saved, so i can backtrack if there is a corruption\
Also I got a message from @mexxico , he is very busy dealing with policy issues that are needing his full attention for atleast 1 month so we can keep getting issues documented that come up and I will document them all and can present them when he messages me that he is free again to work on economy

Economy issues / problems are minor compared to other problems currently, these problems mentioned only effect small player groups. There is nothing new in 1.5s for economy. If there is anything urgent which effects most players badly I can look at however if problems are not urgent or only effects trader players these problems should wait. We need to spend time for designing and implementing first rebellions (100%) then alliances (not 100% decided yet) in next months. I do not want to lose focus thats why I prefer focusing diplomacy for a time period.

 

[HugoTheFrenchMan]

Ok lets disscuss prosperity so in my super late game experiences this is not the greatest measurment for how good a town is doing since in these games towns get to super high prosperity but still be starving but be able to balance it out with that one +1 prosperity project or just constantly lose 1 prosperity but never go down while some towns just get roadblocked at 10k or something of the sorts early game 1k so do you have any sort of solution?

 

[HugoTheFrenchMan]

Economy issues / problems are minor compared to other problems currently, these problems mentioned only effect small player groups. There is nothing new in 1.5s for economy. If there is anything urgent which effects most of players badly I can look at however if problems are not urgent we need to spend time for designing and implementing first rebellions (100%) then alliances (not 100% decided yet) in next months. I do not want to lose focus thats why I prefer focusing one area for a time period.

Oooh you got me excited but still we will still be posting suggestions so mabye you can get around to it at some time but for the time being just work on one thing at a time

 

[mexxico]

Oooh you got me excited but still we will still be posting suggestions so mabye you can get around to it at some time but for the time being just work on one thing at a time

Sure. Feel free to post suggestions or anything you see as problem. I will read them in my free time. However I cannot guarentee working on them for a time.

 

[HugoTheFrenchMan]

Sure. Feel free to post suggestions or anything you see as problem. I will read them in my free time. However I cannot guarentee working on them for a time.

Yes sir i will continue our discussion so that you may get to it at some point but i am definetly excited for those rebellions

 

[Blood Gryphon]

Economy issues / problems are minor compared to other problems currently, these problems mentioned only effect small player groups. There is nothing new in 1.5s for economy. If there is anything urgent which effects most players badly I can look at however if problems are not urgent or only effect trader players these problems should wait. We need to spend time for designing and implementing first rebellions (100%) then alliances (not 100% decided yet) in next months. I do not want to lose focus thats why I prefer focusing diplomacy for a time period.

I'd agree its in a good enough spot for now. Also considering those two features could have a big impact on economy it will likely need another round of balance anyways, no point to do it twice when it's not currently in a red flag state.

I would imagine a rebellion might close off a city shutting down its economy until its been dealt with. I wonder if it will be like a raid state that enemy kingdoms could join on the rebellion side to help take the castle or that kingdoms army can go put down the rebellion. Definitely interested to see how this plays out

 

[NLCRich]

For me the largest issue with economy is the same rapid shift of values that takes place in every game. The shift where horses started out cheap but then gradually become more and more expensive. This also tends to happen with iron and other trade goods. Over a longer period of time a lot of the prices even out more across regions as well, making it harder to find a good deal. That said, I have still been able to earn money from trading all through out the game. Mostly from certain trade goods as well as horses. It gets harder but I just travel further to get a good deal, and there are still deals to be made. This is without using cheap tactics like buying out areas to drive prices up.

 

[HugoTheFrenchMan]

For me the largest issue with economy is the same rapid shift of values that takes place in every game. The shift where horses started out cheap but then gradually become more and more expensive. This also tends to happen with iron and other trade goods. Over a longer period of time a lot of the prices even out more across regions as well, making it harder to find a good deal. That said, I have still been able to earn money from trading all through out the game. Mostly from certain trade goods as well as horses. It gets harder but I just travel further to get a good deal, and there are still deals to be made. This is without using cheap tactics like buying out areas to drive prices up.

It depends on inflation, supply and demand so that is probably the biggest reason and some things just become more sparse since the villages that produce them are constantly raided

 

[Flesson19]

Economy issues / problems are minor compared to other problems currently, these problems mentioned only effect small player groups. There is nothing new in 1.5s for economy. If there is anything urgent which effects most players badly I can look at however if problems are not urgent or only effects trader players these problems should wait. We need to spend time for designing and implementing first rebellions (100%) then alliances (not 100% decided yet) in next months. I do not want to lose focus thats why I prefer focusing diplomacy for a time period.

understood we will keep working on these and get back to you when you get do the economy again

 

[Flesson19]

For me the largest issue with economy is the same rapid shift of values that takes place in every game. The shift where horses started out cheap but then gradually become more and more expensive. This also tends to happen with iron and other trade goods. Over a longer period of time a lot of the prices even out more across regions as well, making it harder to find a good deal. That said, I have still been able to earn money from trading all through out the game. Mostly from certain trade goods as well as horses. It gets harder but I just travel further to get a good deal, and there are still deals to be made. This is without using cheap tactics like buying out areas to drive prices up.

right on, lets keep getting these issue out in the open so when @mexxico has the time we can give him a list of issue and he can look to see if it is alright or needs adjusting

 

[HugoTheFrenchMan]

right on, lets keep getting these issue out in the open so when @mexxico has the time we can give him a list of issue and he can look to see if it is alright or needs adjusting

Yeah it still is not good i just gave out the biggest factors that cause that but mexxico did say that he will check in his free time so time for suggestions

 

[Flesson19]

If we do the leg work and find out what is wrong that will make his job so much easier to know where to look and what could be causing it so let's keep hammering out all the issues so when he does have the time we can get him a good list and he won't have to waste time figuring things out that we can do for him and can dedicate his time to tracking down what exactly the problem is

 

[HugoTheFrenchMan]

If we do the leg work and find out what is wrong that will make his job so much easier to know where to look and what could be causing it so let's keep hammering out all the issues so when he does have the time we can get him a good list and he won't have to waste time figuring things out that we can do for him and can dedicate his time to tracking down what exactly the problem is

Yeah so lets start NOW so we can make these fixes easier to find for mexxico when he gets to it

 

[Flesson19]

Yeah it still is not good i just gave out the biggest factors that cause that but mexxico did say that he will check in his free time so time for suggestions

yeah if it is something that is really bad he can look into it, so of course bring in the ideas and that way he will know if it is major just reading it or if it isn't then we can table it till he has time for economy issues and done with his diplomacy issues