Death by Water

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Hello all! I just noticed something strange.

When a Knight decked out in full plate armor get knocked unconscious in a river, he doesn't die!?!? What's up what that? He should die within a few minutes, unless someone pulls him out. Also, if a Knight gets knocked off his horse and lands in water, he should die. The armor is too heavy for him to get out. :smile: Here is my idea:

If a unit is wearing heavy (plate/black/ect) or medium (chain/scale) and falls unconscious or is knocked off a horse into a river he/she should die. There is no way they could get themselves out, and the water would drown them.
 
Good point you got there. Only a cosmetic change, but adds realism.

If a unit is wearing heavy (plate/black/ect) or medium (chain/scale) and falls unconscious or is knocked off a horse into a river he/she should die.

In this I partially disagree. I don't think that chainmail could be that cumbersome that it would cause the drowning of its user (if not knocked unconscious). On the otherhand any full-plate would cause drowning for it is not easy to rise up even if not in water (IRL).
 
I'm in the process of makin a maille shirt, and i will tell you, they are NOT light, they are nor 16 pounbds, more like 25 - 40

Even if 40 pounds, I doubt a normal sized person would get drowned in water, where you can raise your head above the water-top-level just by sitting up.
 
and falls unconscious or is knocked off a horse into a river

I was referring to the underlined part of the post :wink:. As I said in my post:
I don't think that chainmail could be that cumbersome that it would cause the drowning of its user (if not knocked unconscious).
 
ah, my bad :smile:

Someone could probly raise their head above water in a maille shirt....scale definetly

Heheh, they should only be able to raise thier head above water if the AI is above poor :lol:
 
Well, about that "you only have to lift your head up". Ever tried wearing a leather neckbrace, a full leather and cotton headgear, and then putting on a 20-30 pound steel helmet? Have fun trying to "move" it :smile:.
 
Chainmail is possibly the heaviest metal type avaliable. Platemail is much lighter. Ask a proffesional armourer (or historian) for better details. :wink:
 
im no professional, but ive just got in armouring, and the stuff definetly is not light

So far i have 2 projects underway, my maille shirt, and my maciejowski bible great helm

Its fun to beat the crap out of metal with all kinds of hammers. :smile:
 
You should use a site like ImageShack to upload your pictures. When they're uploaded, you can simply copy the text for forums or something, however they call it (it's the row of the second part with rows :grin: )

On topic, it might add to realism, but this is really just I minor feat I think.. :neutral:
 
Keep in mind that chainmaille of the day was never "butted" round wire. Each link in a suit of period chain was a flat ring riveted closed. Also, period chainmaille used larger diameter rings than a lot of today's smaller internal diameter hobby maille. Larger rings mean fewer rings are needed.

Larger flattened rings, would make an entire suit of period maille half of what today's butted hobbyist chainmaille weighs.
 
I don't see why a light archer wearing cloth wouldn't drown either. I mean, if you're unconscious in a river, you're most likely going to roll over on your stomach, and therefore drown. And even if you don't, surely you're going to inhale any water than splashes into your mouth, and the fact that your head is still being dunked under water from time to time. So realisitcally, any unit knocked out in water would most likely drown. So i don't think this would add to the game any, and therefore don't really like it. Although it would be cool if light armor floated and heavy armor units sank...so long as its just a pretty animation and not related to them drowning.
 
Keep in mind that chainmaille of the day was never "butted" round wire. Each link in a suit of period chain was a flat ring riveted closed. Also, period chainmaille used larger diameter rings than a lot of today's smaller internal diameter hobby maille. Larger rings mean fewer rings are needed.

Larger flattened rings, would make an entire suit of period maille half of what today's butted hobbyist chainmaille weighs.

... and added layers of chainmail would double, triple, etc. the weight. But it is true that "butted" weights more than those of the middle-ages. Butted chainmail needs thicker rings (Here is a link about chainmail: http://www2.kumc.edu/itc/staff/rknight/blackmaille11.htm ) But could somebody post something about the weight of the (most common) chainmail type(s) as Otto Von Lanstien said "Chainmail is possibly the heaviest metal type avaliable" which I understand as that chainamail is the heaviest armor type (correct me if I have utterly misunderstood the sentence). I am a firm believer that platemail, especially the heaviest, and thus the most protective ones were the heaviest. Platemail being solid metal and chainmail having "holes" in it. ...Not that this has so much to do with the game but anyway...
 
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