Dark Knights:

[DamienZharkoff]

Or to have sir "Kickallass" on your side

 

[MrRoy]

If (or when) I defeat the Dark Knights, they are eliminated and can't fight back.

But if I go in my settings and choose NEVER to when the dark knights will invade, then put it back to immediatly, will they disapear, then come back as strong as they were at the beggining?

 

[Joker86]

To get more on topic with Dark Knights rather then about Dark as an abjective.

If you defeat the dark knight kingdom do thier lords split up and join other factions? Would be pretty cool to go to war with Lord Tantius(sp?) and his ridiculously overpowered army.

I captured two of them (one name starting with "g" and one with "p" I think), kept them rotting in my dungeon, and when their faction got eliminated they joined me due to my "invitation" in the dungeon

At the moment I am the king of a small, but powerfull kingdom with only 2 vassals. I am the ruler of Thir (best city to defend, psotioned at the corer of the map enemies don't pass by so often, you can always get rid of your prisoners there, and you will never run out of smoked fish  ) and Curin castle (siege tower castle next to my city), as long as the two dark lords are sitting in Jelbegi and Hrus castle, as a kind of "shield" for me 

After joining me they still had -10 relationship due to their imprisoning, but after donating the castles as fiefs and some help against enemies (I saved them several times from a patrol or berserkers or scouts - I don't know what would happen to the whole dark knight army of 300 if I didn't help. So of course they were very grateful  ) I soon had them over 20.

It's pretty cool being able to start a campaign, and only two lords arrive, but you know that's 100% of what you can expect. And that it will be completely sufficient for EVERYTHING you have in mind 

 

[SanDiego]

By law, you are techincally allowed to hurt or even kill anyone that breaks into your house or does an act of aggression while on your property.

Fortunately, this is only possible in USA.

So you consider it a bad thing to be able to use force against someone trying to cause you and/or your family harm if they break into your home?

What would be the better option, barricade yourself in the bedroom and HOPE the police show up in time to save you?

The rest of your points I agree with you on, but on this we most certainly have a difference of opinion.  "Violence is never the answer" is a pleasant thought, but unfortunately there are times when faced with extraordinary circumstances when you must fight.  You cannot always rely on others to protect you, you have to be able to protect yourself.

Hey, imagine this:
You were in pub with your buddies and you were celebrating someones birthday. Yu get drunk and you 're going home now. But as I said, you are drunk, so you accidentally try to enter a different house. Of course, your key's wont fit, so you try to enter through back door or something like that. And now, because you entered the wrong house, BANG! You're dead. I never said I'm against protecting my own property or my family, but I'm no goddamned murderer. Are you? Oh wait, you're the big cool soldier, so you're a trained and proffesional murderer. I'll stick to tasers and other non-lethal weapons, thanks.

There is NO stopping it. When man has a weapon, its inevitable that some git will want to use it.

That's why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed. Well, one of the reasons. Other reason's were demostration of power and attempt to break the morale of your opponents. And whole world saw what happened. And ever since everyone was afraid of using nuclear weapons, that's why  the cold war remained cold. Personally, I don't think it will be some statesman who will fire a nuke, if someone will. I guess it will be some group of fundamentalist fighting for "Greater good".

 

[HSharp]

Please stop the derailment...I want my dark knight army!

I have found that its best to wait after the dark knights have settled down for a bit and split up before taking them on, they are pretty easy to beat on an open field of combat with cavalry, however they can crush infantry really fast, not even a horde of huskarls stand much chance and einherjars would probably be whittled away by dark rangers.

Heavy cavalry charge works and I have a few horse archers/fast cavalry around as well which works well against thier heavy cavalry, and now with dark knight prisoners im getting my own dark knight army supply (note blackguards are vicious infantry and they can still get upgraded further!)

 

[sher]

Well, Swadia alredy has strong universal military (in 0.544 at least) - they're ok even without their mounted knights. Two-handers, pikes, plated heavy infantry with shields, archers and crossbowmen - they have all the commander ever need. Their infantry is very very good (best maybe) and shooters are ok.
What's the point in obtaining dark knights, who do you want to fight with such army?

 

[Mini Marine]

Hey, imagine this:
You were in pub with your buddies and you were celebrating someones birthday. Yu get drunk and you 're going home now. But as I said, you are drunk, so you accidentally try to enter a different house. Of course, your key's wont fit, so you try to enter through back door or something like that. And now, because you entered the wrong house, BANG! You're dead. I never said I'm against protecting my own property or my family, but I'm no goddamned murderer. Are you? Oh wait, you're the big cool soldier, so you're a trained and proffesional murderer. I'll stick to tasers and other non-lethal weapons, thanks.

congratulations on your straw man argument.  For one thing, I never said anything about shooting anyone who enters your home, only if they are posing a clear and present danger to you, your family or your property.  Secondly, You shouldn't be driving home on your own if you are too damn drunk to tell one house from another.  Third, against a REAL threat, a taser gives you only 1 shot, and pepper spray can prove ineffective against someone who is under the influence of drugs or large amounts of alcohol.

I'm not a murderer either.  I have never taken a life, and hope I never have to.  I am not a "big cool soldier" I'm a rather tiny(5'2") MARINE please don't mistake the two.  Being trained to kill does not make one a murderer.  There is a nice George Orwell quote that fits quite well here, "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

We live in an imperfect world.  I didn't join the military because I wanted to kill or because i enjoy violence.  I joined because i understand that there are times when it is unfortunately necessary.

Lets got back to your drunk idiot argument for a moment, I hear my back door being busted down.  I take my pistol, and investigate, I use a flashlight to illuminate my target (you)  identify the target as a confused stumbling drunk with keys in hand, restrain and detain you, call the police and wait for them to show up and take your ass away to cool your heels in the drunk tank.

Now lets suppose its not some drunk idiot at the back door, get pistol, investigate, identify, its a burglar, I order him on the ground at gun point, he turns and runs.  He isn't a threat, I call the police and give them a description...He complies, I call the police they come and take him away...He attacks, I put him down.

 

[SanDiego]

Okay, one last post on this topic:

If someone poses a real threat, it's not a reason to kill him. If I'd just kick him on solar plexus, he'd be just as finished as if I shot him, but he'll live. It's important to know how to pacify people without having to hurt or kill them.

 

[DamienZharkoff]

Okay, one last post on this topic:

If someone poses a real threat, it's not a reason to kill him. If I'd just kick him on solar plexus, he'd be just as finished as if I shot him, but he'll live. It's important to know how to pacify people without having to hurt or kill them.

What if he has a gun or knife, its a single mother at home and he is seeking to rape and murder her, and maybe even her kids? Well sadly she has no gun, so she didn't have a chance to defend herself. Now her blood is on your strawman fingers.

Also, do not bash america as NO COUNTRY is innocent (Save for maybe the dutch :p hard to do wrong when your stoned off your nuts) and all have done wrong.  You guys have had thousands of years to do wrong and only recently have cleaned up your acts in history. ****ing hypocrites.

 

[Tismanu]

Well, Swadia alredy has strong universal military (in 0.544 at least) - they're ok even without their mounted knights. Two-handers, pikes, plated heavy infantry with shields, archers and crossbowmen - they have all the commander ever need. Their infantry is very very good (best maybe) and shooters are ok.
What's the point in obtaining dark knights, who do you want to fight with such army?

Of course the universal favored faction that everyone and their mothers always seems to mod and adds more stuff to them. There is never really an issue of needing to balance out the factions in any way as long as everyone always puts all the best units in one faction. The Nords are suppose to be infantry specialist and have the best infantry but that is now taken by the Swad as well as having the best Knights and the best mass recruitable archers. Heck they have the best anti cavalry AI as well it seems. I've ran into more spearwall from Swad Infantry troops then any of the supposely "spearman specialist" Rhods. They may have the halbead but those units aren't generally field as often as the Swad Infantrymen.  Might as well call the Swads the White Knight since they are easily the most over powered faction in all of MB. Yes yes Ivory Archers are bad ass but comparing one Elite troop to the plethora of top tiers troops of another is bad.

Sorry been slightly ticked that every mod that hasn't chanced the factions name or use other factions seem to always heavily favored Swad and throw away the other factions merely as cannon fodders

 

[DamienZharkoff]

I have to 100% agree with ya here. The problem is though, in 5.50+ Khergits are now overpowered for awhile because unlike you, their units don't need to join a faction to be mounted. So start of the game you go Tribesman. By the mid game, you go Counts, Caviliers, and Champions. (All swadian) maybe a few ivory archers.

 

[Tismanu]

Actually the Kherts have been nerfed since .550. Yes they do start with horses but their top mass recrutiable unit is pretty bad. The lesser khan which was present before the new update was very overpowered. They where the best horse archer you can field so not only do they kill troops with the charge, they can also rain down a ton of arrows on it. It makes open battle quick as hell, much quicker then any other factions. They were also the second best units, after the ivory bowman, to use during a siege. A volley from them can pretty much bring down a chunk of attackers or defenders and can handle melee better than the ivory bowman.

Sadly I am now forced to either personally hunt down patrols with lesser khan or wait until I can build the special khert building.

 

[Mini Marine]

The thing is the the Kherts are really strong early in the game when you don't have access to nobles and the top tier units that you need special buildings to get.

Its not easy getting everything balanced properly, and while its still far from perfect, they are trying.

 

[The Mercenary]

The next time this thread is taken off-topic, I'm deleting it.

 

[Lord0bsidian]

well, i just fought against 2 of the black lords with an army of about 200 cavaliers and i totally overrunned them, lost just about 15 of my soldiers, but on a siege-battle against them, they are damn tough...

so, they aren't invincible, but in my opinion, they are much too strong and/or have too many soldiers.

and it seems, that thay get them out of nowhere.

best regards

Joe

I tried this as well, before I used the tactic with 300 archers.

I had about 50 Cavaliers, 30 Counts, 80 Elite Kataphraktos, 25 Minor Councilmen, 40 Princes and some other stuff, all in all over 300 knights, and in each battle I killed about 1,5 times soldiers as I lost. But unfortunately 850 is more than 1,5 times 300, so finally I lost. I don't know what I did wrong?

I play on highest difficulty with battle sizer 200.

counts have terrible stats. elite cataphracts, councilmen, and princes have terrible stats and armor. seriously, int build = easy mode. with 14 tactics, surgery, trainer and pathfinding you can zoom around the map with a horde of immortal troops. just make sure they're good troops.

 

[HSharp]

"Immortal" troops though are not though, and while really strong even they will be hard pressed to win battles when its 5 vs 50 (lords/dark knights).

Though I do suppose that you should always be able to pick your fights by being so fast so you won't ever get ridiculously outnumbered.

 

[The Mercenary]

Unfortunately, you cannot have 14 in any stat. Which renders your post invalid.

 

[Lord0bsidian]

you get a +4 bonus if you get 10 in a party skill mr. high and/or mighty. 10 + 4 = ??

 

[HSharp]

you get a +4 bonus if you get 10 in a party skill mr. high and/or mighty. 10 + 4 = ??

miss high and/or mighty

but anyway