Danish elections - fyi

[RalliX]

Bring on the Meritocracy.

*Begins a long striding sprint towards TDM, preparing to Hi-Five... LAUNCH!*

 

[Almalexia]

*High five received*

 

[A Visitor]

I can't really relate to people who doesn't like multiculturalism. I am half Danish/half Swedish, my boyfriend is Italian, my three best friends are from Croatia, Syria and Pakistan. I have friends from all over the world and almost all continents (none from Antarctica). Multiculturalism is my lifestyle, I couldn't ask for better friends.

I'm not against that kind of multiculturalism, and it's something I enjoy myself. The only people I count as friends today are from other countries, and half of my best buddies in my teens were Asian, coupled with the fact that I listen to Arabic nasheeds, prayers in Syriac, Mongolian folk rock etc much more than I listen to music from my own country. And also, this is the ****.

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But there's another side to it. Not all differences equal good food or dancing to folk music or learning another language. There are conflicts, and there will be conflicts a plenty. One example of this is not about burning cars and stoning ambulance personell, but just 2 differing cultures who both wish well but end up with a conflict.

A lot of westerners take Thai women as wives nowadays (quite understandable at times, thanks to Feminazis) and we discussed this in class once, and some said that it didn't always end well since some were just gold diggers out for the man's money. But then we heard the other side of it, that in their culture the main concern of the woman was taking care of her family. So when she finds a relatively wealthy man and gets her hands on the money she starts sending it to her relatives, not because she's thieving but because as long as she has the means to take care of her family one way or the other, she will.

And the westerner? He thinks as many of us do, prove that you want me and not my money. So then one side has to give in, unless they can really come to an understanding. If the man doesn't let her send the money to her kin she will see it as a dereliction of her duty to her family, and if she's insistant to send his money off he will take it as a sure sign she's a gold digger.

This is one of the more peaceful clashes when mixing cultures. Another example is Islam, and it's not always so peaceful. (Oh yes, I'm not only white trash but also an Islamophobe who makes up everything about Islam even though I base most of it on what I've read myself in the Qur'an). A monotheistic religion such as Islam is much more volatile to try to mix into the pot, since it's based on a book which is the direct word of God, and the laws of the Qur'an come from God (or maybe I should say Allah to get the right feel) and are therefore above the laws made by men. And not only that, but it's defended with lies. One hypocrisy is "we should accept Islam with open arms, because we would be free to practice Christianity and build churches in Muslim countries" then the next day there's a news report about how horrible it is to send back the Christian Iraqis because their lives are at stake thanks to their faith in their homeland. That also goes for Iran, which was also discussed in class. An Iranian Christian came to speak about how it was to be a non-Muslim in Iran and told about how they were buried the same way as criminals and how they had to marry under Islam even though they were Christian etc.

I also used to think that it was worth to be a bit more strict with immigrants to prevent things like what has gone on in Oslo, I'm sure the police are just made up by white trash infiltrators spreading propaganda, but either way AFAIK all of the identified assault rapists were non-westerners, and the majority of the victims were ethnical Norwegians. The numbers are not that high though, like 86 assault rapes between 2006 and 2010 or something like that, and obviously it's a small price to pay for pizza baked by a Kurd since if you ever speak out against such things you get accused of being a xenophobe who wants to punish everyone collectively and that you're just focusing on the bad things and they do it because they are poor blah blah blah. Even though some of the assailants in such cases are confident in their right to rape women, thanks to their religions and cultures, which has been seen in England and Australia and other places too.

Related to that I think that modern views on crime and punishment, authority etc are just skewed and that it too will lead to conflicts in the future.  But I've babbled enough I think. One last thing is that you've convinced me of is that I shouldn't treat people differently based on ethnicity or nationality. (I never treated anyone with less respect no matter from whence he/she came, just FYI, I just believed that I should prioritize my fellow countrymen before other groups). It was actually a certain incident in Oslo and on Utøya which convinced me of this. It was not a surprise at all that such a thing happened, I kinda expected it for a while (but I don't support it) and it made me realize I did not care more about the incident just because it was mostly Norwegians getting killed. It did not bother me more than hearing that as many died in a suicide bombing in Baghdad or whatever. Coupled with the fact that if you voice any opinions about how we should limit immigration to keep our countrymen and the local populace a bit safer, you just get ostracized. And all that just made me realize that I was fighting for something futile.

And sorry if I'm not very clear at times. As said I'm not here to "convert" or convince anyone, just to voice some of my hateful white trash opinions one last time before I leave it all behind and focus on my own well being rather than my nations.

Tl;dr version: I'm inbred and retarded and I like wrestling with pigs while drinking moonshine.

 

[FrisianDude]

I like wrestling with pigs while drinking moonshine.

Who doesn't‽

 

[Kobrag]

My personal opinion is that the more intercontinental breeding that happens, the more unified and peaceful the species will become.

 

[A Visitor]

My personal opinion is that the more intercontinental breeding that happens, the more unified and peaceful the species will become.

Well, it might stem the division of humanity based on skin color or ethnicity a bit, but in the end it's just one factor in thousands which divides humanity. I can tell you that being something between two camps does not always help, speaking from experience. Actually, it might do the opposite. Leading to confusion as to where you belong. We all look for something to be loyal to, be it a religion, a political party, a hobby or pretty much anything else. A place to belong. It's easy to be lost and then when you finally find a place to stay you'll be more fanatical about it.

This will happen more the more diverse society gets. Sometimes the divions will be totally unrealistic, but they will be there. People turn to more fanatical places to belong to the more threatened they feel. Moderate Christians become more devout when they get into conflicts with Islam or Atheism or any other "threat". Hamas and Al Qaida gain support because moderate Muslims feel threatened by Israel or the West etc etc. It starts out small, but it will escalate. I do not think we will see many Brevik's since he was quite extreme in his conviction and in his planning, but I think we will see more conflict in the future as long as we head in this direction, and today it might mostly consist of petty verbal squabbles, but it will not always remain as such.

 

[Archonsod]

the cultural differences in Sweden at least are regional, but it doesn't differ that much at all.

Yeah, that was my point. Like I said, foreigners are excusable, your neighbours on the other hand are blatantly just doing it wrong
Difference between Newcastle and Sunderland is literally the accent. yet they're happy to kill each other over it.

So then one side has to give in, unless they can really come to an understanding.

Which is just as applicable to purely Westerner relationships. Marriage is inevitably built on compromise.

even though I base most of it on what I've read myself in the Qur'an

Which is as ridiculous as basing your impression of Christianity on what you read in the bible. Note that the bible is generally a lot harsher than the Koran in it's proscriptions for punishment (which is generally the case with religion. Easiest way to grab converts? Make your religion slightly less restrictive than the one you're ripping off. Ask yourself how much of Protestantism's success was based on the simple change of allowing the clergy to have sex). You don't find Allah suggesting kids who cheek their parents should be stoned to death.

An Iranian Christian came to speak about how it was to be a non-Muslim in Iran and told about how they were buried the same way as criminals and how they had to marry under Islam even though they were Christian etc.

Which is somewhat bollocks. Iran guarantees the rights of Christians, parliamentary representation for the Christian minorities as well as several other such things you rarely find extended to Muslims in the West. There was prosecution immediately following the revolution, but the revolutionaries persecuted everyone, whether for religious belief or simply being anti-revolution. Generally speaking you'd be hard pressed to find any violent revolution which didn't include the kind of persecutions documented against Christians in Iran.

The numbers are not that high though, like 86 assault rapes between 2006 and 2010 or something like that

Compared to the 3000 annual rapes? That's less than 10%. In addition the areas with the lowest immigrant population (Finnmark, Troms Romsa and Nordland) have the highest recorded incidents of rape (1.4 per 1000 population for Finnmark. 0.8 per 1000 for Oslo). What's interesting about Oslo in fact is that if you're an Iranian woman you're more likely to be the victim of rape than if you're Norwegian.

 

[A Visitor]

even though I base most of it on what I've read myself in the Qur'an

Which is as ridiculous as basing your impression of Christianity on what you read in the bible. Note that the bible is generally a lot harsher than the Koran in it's proscriptions for punishment (which is generally the case with religion. Easiest way to grab converts? Make your religion slightly less restrictive than the one you're ripping off. Ask yourself how much of Protestantism's success was based on the simple change of allowing the clergy to have sex). You don't find Allah suggesting kids who cheek their parents should be stoned to death.

Maybe I should say that I match it then. If someone says "There's nothing in Islam which supports that a Muslim should take the life of another human" then you read the Qur'an and ta-da, there are verses saying that you should or that you are allowed to kill people under certain circumstances. Now, with that said it's perfectly okay to say that most modern Muslims are smart enough to realize that the verses about killing people are not the ones they focus on, but the fact remains that there's support for such actions in the Qur'an, and the last time I checked the Qur'an has a pretty role position in Islam.

An Iranian Christian came to speak about how it was to be a non-Muslim in Iran and told about how they were buried the same way as criminals and how they had to marry under Islam even though they were Christian etc.

Which is somewhat bollocks. Iran guarantees the rights of Christians, parliamentary representation for the Christian minorities as well as several other such things you rarely find extended to Muslims in the West. There was prosecution immediately following the revolution, but the revolutionaries persecuted everyone, whether for religious belief or simply being anti-revolution. Generally speaking you'd be hard pressed to find any violent revolution which didn't include the kind of persecutions documented against Christians in Iran.

Doesn't surprise me one bit if people are subjective or try to gain support by angling their stories or leaving out a fact or two.

The numbers are not that high though, like 86 assault rapes between 2006 and 2010 or something like that

Compared to the 3000 annual rapes? That's less than 10%. In addition the areas with the lowest immigrant population (Finnmark, Troms Romsa and Nordland) have the highest recorded incidents of rape (1.4 per 1000 population for Finnmark. 0.8 per 1000 for Oslo). What's interesting about Oslo in fact is that if you're an Iranian woman you're more likely to be the victim of rape than if you're Norwegian.

I was thinking more like overall. I've never denied that assault rape is a very rare crime nor that other types of rape are committed by ethnic Norwegians. Only that less immigration = less assault rapes and no immigration = no assault rapes. Not saying that completely closed borders would be anything but insane though. But as said, it's something which is to be left behind very soon, so it doesn't matter how stupid my way of thinking was.

 

[Archonsod]

Now, with that said it's perfectly okay to say that most modern Muslims are smart enough to realize that the verses about killing people are not the ones they focus on, but the fact remains that there's support for such actions in the Qur'an, and the last time I checked the Qur'an has a pretty role position in Islam.

Same applies to every religion though. Even the Buddhists worked out it was fine to kill someone if you squinted at certain passages in a particular way. Pretty much every Abrahamic religion is screwed since Jehovah tends to order genocides like most people order McDonalds.

I was thinking more like overall. I've never denied that assault rape is a very rare crime nor that other types of rape are committed by ethnic Norwegians. Only that less immigration = less assault rapes and no immigration = no assault rapes.

Wouldn't make much of a difference. In fact from the statistics the only reason rapes increase is because the population increases, hence the use of the rapes per 1000 people tally. And like I said, given the incidence is higher in the regions with the lowest immigration you could argue immigration leads to less rapes, at 1.4 per 1000 people the rate in Finnmark is almost twice as high as that in Oslo, despite the fact the immigrant population in Oslo (33%) is significantly higher than Finnmark (around 3%).

 

[A Visitor]

Now, with that said it's perfectly okay to say that most modern Muslims are smart enough to realize that the verses about killing people are not the ones they focus on, but the fact remains that there's support for such actions in the Qur'an, and the last time I checked the Qur'an has a pretty role position in Islam.

Same applies to every religion though. Even the Buddhists worked out it was fine to kill someone if you squinted at certain passages in a particular way. Pretty much every Abrahamic religion is screwed since Jehovah tends to order genocides like most people order McDonalds.

I'm not the greatest fan of any of the Abrahamic religions tbh. And sure, a single text can mean many things as long as you look at it long enough from all directions and if you're willing to "figure out" what it "actually means". Even more so if it's to be translated from one language to another and you get to phrase it properly and then interpret it from there. But it's not hard to interpret verses such as this as encouraging violence : Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." It's about slaying polytheists though, but it's far from the only verse condoning or encouraging bloody conflict.

I was thinking more like overall. I've never denied that assault rape is a very rare crime nor that other types of rape are committed by ethnic Norwegians. Only that less immigration = less assault rapes and no immigration = no assault rapes.

Wouldn't make much of a difference. In fact from the statistics the only reason rapes increase is because the population increases, hence the use of the rapes per 1000 people tally. And like I said, given the incidence is higher in the regions with the lowest immigration you could argue immigration leads to less rapes, at 1.4 per 1000 people the rate in Finnmark is almost twice as high as that in Oslo, despite the fact the immigrant population in Oslo (33%) is significantly higher than Finnmark (around 3%).

It would have made a difference for 86 women and their close ones, but I know it's such a small number that it's not worth paying much attention to if you're objective. Hence why I changed my opinion.

 

[Swadius 2.0]

Wouldn't make much of a difference. In fact from the statistics the only reason rapes increase is because the population increases, hence the use of the rapes per 1000 people tally. And like I said, given the incidence is higher in the regions with the lowest immigration you could argue immigration leads to less rapes, at 1.4 per 1000 people the rate in Finnmark is almost twice as high as that in Oslo, despite the fact the immigrant population in Oslo (33%) is significantly higher than Finnmark (around 3%).

It would have made a difference for 86 women and their close ones,

I might have, but going the other way would have impacted all the people who immigrated and sought to find a new life in the country in question.

 

[A Visitor]

Wouldn't make much of a difference. In fact from the statistics the only reason rapes increase is because the population increases, hence the use of the rapes per 1000 people tally. And like I said, given the incidence is higher in the regions with the lowest immigration you could argue immigration leads to less rapes, at 1.4 per 1000 people the rate in Finnmark is almost twice as high as that in Oslo, despite the fact the immigrant population in Oslo (33%) is significantly higher than Finnmark (around 3%).

It would have made a difference for 86 women and their close ones,

I might have, but going the other way would have impacted all the people who immigrated and sought to find a new life in the country in question.

Yup. Another reason why I'm leaving this behind. Used to think it was better to prioritize my countrywomen's well-being over other's, and that I owed people some kind of loyalty. But not any more.

And I just realized I diverted the discussion from the original subject. I apologize for that. And I forgot to say, congratulations on your victory. Maybe it's time I leave this thread alone now.