Crusader Mod

[Martin214]

I love this mod, great work.
If this is a ported Holy Wars Mod, then why is it different, when you go on full speed in HWM, your arm raises up in the air...

Martin,

This isn't Raz's Holy War mod ported to 0.903.

It's a mod called Crusader, using a lot of the stuff from the old Holy War mod.

Sorry.

 

[Markus II]

Don't be sorry, I just overuse Italics.

 

[Odin Doomhammer]

So Tooff . . .is the mod eventually going to be going into a more historically-correct direction?  It's definitely an entertaining mod, but the nobles' names, the Hashishin, and the "Antioch is Templars, Tripoli is Hospitallers" stuff is a little grating.  Keep up the good work, though!

It doesn't matter. Game should be playable, not educational - otherwise after twenty minutes of playing your character would die because of sweathing.

There's obviously a balance that needs to be struck.  Anyone who knows about that period of history will enjoy it less if there are obvious historical errors.

I think things like the Lords of War mod show how things can be done.  Much of the mod uses artistic licence, as we don't have detailed records of the period.  But they have tried to give a decent level of historical accuracy as it really helps make the mod a more immersive experience.  As a result, it's a mod I could play over and over again. The more basic mods are generally fine for a few hours play, but don't have any long-term appeal.

It all depends how far Tooff want to take this.  Raz's Holy War mod was shaping up to be a quality complete mod along the lines of The Last Days, with great attention to detail and lots of unique ideas, not just Native with a few new items and a different map.  Question is, does Tooff want to do something like that, or just leave it as a fun but fairly basic mod?

 

[Hockax]

Sorry Toof, I love the mod already, I really do, but you do need permission to use the music from the artist who made it or the company that owns it, even if you aren't doing it for profit, unless the artist or company has explicitly stated that it can be used for nonprofit things. I just don't want this great mod and you as a modder, to suffer legal reprimands for such a small thing as music.

If you don't want him to suffer a legal reprimands just be quiet. It's such a small chance that the maker of Kingdom of Heaven will show up in the forum and
attack Toof legally. If we're just quiet no one will find out and we can all enjoy this mod very much.
If you have to change the music, make some music and dialogs and give them to Toof so he can implement them then

 

[RayvenQ]

If you don't want him to suffer a legal reprimands just be quiet. It's such a small chance that the maker of Kingdom of Heaven will show up in the forum and
attack Toof legally. If we're just quiet no one will find out and we can all enjoy this mod very much.
If you have to change the music, make some music and dialogs and give them to Toof so he can implement them then

It's a better warning than "Oh you'll be fine" that comes from most people. And you know what, if I could, I would, but I can't, can you?

One Possible Alternative is to use tracks from Stronghold Crusader (Which you can legally download from the Heavengames Stronghold site, which have been uploaded and released for free by the original Artist) That way, there is no risks at all.

 

[Musley]

I think things like the Lords of War mod show how things can be done.  Much of the mod uses artistic licence, as we don't have detailed records of the period.  But they have tried to give a decent level of historical accuracy as it really helps make the mod a more immersive experience.  As a result, it's a mod I could play over and over again. The more basic mods are generally fine for a few hours play, but don't have any long-term appeal.

I agree! Storyline and background is something that adds much flavour to the mod, as we can see in TLD and LoW. I also enjoy dialogs in LoW - you know, that IXth century wasn't pleasant time. Implementing such features in Crusader would work very well imo. The contrast between cynical politics hiding behind religious fervour would make some noise.

 

[keaponlaffin]

no county of edessa? But i am not sure about your timeline so it might not be applicable.

 

[Odin Doomhammer]

no county of edessa? But i am not sure about your timeline so it might not be applicable.

Edessa outlasted all the other Crusader states didn't it?  In which case it theoretically ought to be in, regardless of timeline.

On the other hand, Edessa generally had a more peaceful relationship with the muslims, so probably wouldn't contribute much to the mod.

 

[Shogun 144]

Actually you got that backwards Odin Doomhammer.

The County of Edessa was the shortest lasting Crusader State of them all. It was the first created, in 1098, and the first to fall, in 1146. It also didn't have any good relations with any of the greater powers in the Levant, Christian or Muslim. The only good relations that Edessa actually had was with the native Armenian population. Out of the four reigning counts, three married Armenians with the fourth and last, Joscelin II, marrying a French lady.

Imad ad-Din Zengi actually first conquered Edessa in 1144, driving Joscelin II westwards to the fortress at Turbessel. This event sparked the Second Crusade. However the Crusaders returned in 1146 following Zengi's death and recaptured the city. But Nur ad-Din recaptured the city later that same year and drove Joscelin back to Turbessel. He finally captured the count in 1150 and his wife subsquently sold Turbessel to the Roman Emperor, Megas Manouel I Komnenos. The fortress itself was conquered in 1151, making the purchase moot.

 

[BadabombadaBang]

If you don't want him to suffer a legal reprimands just be quiet. It's such a small chance that the maker of Kingdom of Heaven will show up in the forum and
attack Toof legally. If we're just quiet no one will find out and we can all enjoy this mod very much.
If you have to change the music, make some music and dialogs and give them to Toof so he can implement them then

It's a better warning than "Oh you'll be fine" that comes from most people. And you know what, if I could, I would, but I can't, can you?

One Possible Alternative is to use tracks from Stronghold Crusader (Which you can legally download from the Heavengames Stronghold site, which have been uploaded and released for free by the original Artist) That way, there is no risks at all.

This is a great idea if toof can't use the Kingdom of Heaven soundtrack . Stronghold Crusader has a great soundtrack and followed by that is a fun game.

 

[RayvenQ]

If you don't want him to suffer a legal reprimands just be quiet. It's such a small chance that the maker of Kingdom of Heaven will show up in the forum and
attack Toof legally. If we're just quiet no one will find out and we can all enjoy this mod very much.
If you have to change the music, make some music and dialogs and give them to Toof so he can implement them then

It's a better warning than "Oh you'll be fine" that comes from most people. And you know what, if I could, I would, but I can't, can you?

One Possible Alternative is to use tracks from Stronghold Crusader (Which you can legally download from the Heavengames Stronghold site, which have been uploaded and released for free by the original Artist) That way, there is no risks at all.

This is a great idea if toof can't use the Kingdom of Heaven soundtrack . Stronghold Crusader has a great soundtrack and followed by that is a fun game.

I've got the Crusader music files in my game already  the Regular Stronghold ones too fit quite well.

 

[Masson]

patch already exists?

 

[BorianM]

Interesting bug/feature that you can rearm your troops ingame, not only 3 NPCs but all using "let me check your equipment". For example my Calif guards had heavy arab armor, sniper crosbows etc... and while battle with an enemy with the same troops they also are rearmed in the same way.

 

[Odin Doomhammer]

Actually you got that backwards Odin Doomhammer.

The County of Edessa was the shortest lasting Crusader State of them all. It was the first created, in 1098, and the first to fall, in 1146. It also didn't have any good relations with any of the greater powers in the Levant, Christian or Muslim. The only good relations that Edessa actually had was with the native Armenian population. Out of the four reigning counts, three married Armenians with the fourth and last, Joscelin II, marrying a French lady.

Imad ad-Din Zengi actually first conquered Edessa in 1144, driving Joscelin II westwards to the fortress at Turbessel. This event sparked the Second Crusade. However the Crusaders returned in 1146 following Zengi's death and recaptured the city. But Nur ad-Din recaptured the city later that same year and drove Joscelin back to Turbessel. He finally captured the count in 1150 and his wife subsquently sold Turbessel to the Roman Emperor, Megas Manouel I Komnenos. The fortress itself was conquered in 1151, making the purchase moot.

Yeah, I was utterly wrong wasn't i?

Think I got confused with Antioch - that lasted longer than the other states, until Baybars turned up didn't it?

 

[Gargul]

Great mod 
But:

1) When I select the banner, on a map i see moslem banner. it is a pity
2) I think, that on map fail the deserters party.
3) More helmets, more  =))) And shields for Crusaders heavy infantry
 

 

[nnnm]

Actually you got that backwards Odin Doomhammer.

The County of Edessa was the shortest lasting Crusader State of them all. It was the first created, in 1098, and the first to fall, in 1146. It also didn't have any good relations with any of the greater powers in the Levant, Christian or Muslim. The only good relations that Edessa actually had was with the native Armenian population. Out of the four reigning counts, three married Armenians with the fourth and last, Joscelin II, marrying a French lady.

Imad ad-Din Zengi actually first conquered Edessa in 1144, driving Joscelin II westwards to the fortress at Turbessel. This event sparked the Second Crusade. However the Crusaders returned in 1146 following Zengi's death and recaptured the city. But Nur ad-Din recaptured the city later that same year and drove Joscelin back to Turbessel. He finally captured the count in 1150 and his wife subsquently sold Turbessel to the Roman Emperor, Megas Manouel I Komnenos. The fortress itself was conquered in 1151, making the purchase moot.

Edessa was't captured by the second crusade , tbut the people repel against zangids after Imad Ad'Deen death, but his son Nor Ad'Deen Mahmood recapture the city after a short while.

 

[Shogun 144]

nnnm,

Well I admit it was a bad choice of words on my part when writing about the events of 1146. I was not referring to the men of the Second Crusade when I said 'the Crusaders returned' but to the original troops of the County of Edessa under Joscelin II. But they did not hold it for long, by the end of the year Joscelin had been kicked out again by Zengi's son, Nur ad-Din.

Personally I think that Nur ad-Din is not given enough credit for his actions during the period. Almost all of the credit went to Salah ad-Din. Not fair in my eyes.

 

[nnnm]

that's true. Nur Adin who build every thing, even Saladin. saladin was raised in Nur Adin house. and saladin was his student. I think it's because nationalism and lack of knowledge in history and if you add modern historian with media it get worst.what I know that all muslim historian see Nur Adin as the succeeder of the early Caliphs.

 

[insomniac]

It's a mod called Crusader, using a lot of the stuff from the old Holy War mod.

I think you are wrong. Tooff decided not to use Raz's stuff, because he didn't permit it. He modeled all the armors himself.

 

[Llew2]

I think you are wrong. Tooff decided not to use Raz's stuff, because he didn't permit it. He modeled all the armors himself.

Not all of it.