Criticism on the Negligence of the Console Community

[Cpt. Nemo]

Was its original release only 20 bucks?  Thats crazy,  definitely shouldn't be any *****ing from anyone if everyone only paid 20 bucks for such an amazing game. 

Just because it was 20 bucks dosent mean it excuses you from critisim. Thats a terrible way of thinking that hampers actual progress.

This game is 10 years old.  If you are surprised that they dont maintain high quality updates on the multiplayer servers,  then you arent being realistic.  If you've played the single player game and enjoyed it for hours then be happy.  I don't understand this sense of entitlement. They should not expend even a singlr person or take away from the bannerlord team.

If you spend money on a game for one platform, you generally expect it to be kept to the same standards as any other. Such an expectation is not entitlement. While some features (mods) are impossible, the state of the console port is inferior compared to the pc version due to new bugs, especially multiplayer, which was promised to receive patches for specific issues well over a year ago. As the title of this thread indicates, the port has been neglected.

 

[Old bannery]

Was its original release only 20 bucks?  Thats crazy,  definitely shouldn't be any *****ing from anyone if everyone only paid 20 bucks for such an amazing game. 

Just because it was 20 bucks dosent mean it excuses you from critisim. Thats a terrible way of thinking that hampers actual progress.

This game is 10 years old.  If you are surprised that they dont maintain high quality updates on the multiplayer servers,  then you arent being realistic.  If you've played the single player game and enjoyed it for hours then be happy.  I don't understand this sense of entitlement. They should not expend even a singlr person or take away from the bannerlord team.

If you spend money on a game for one platform, you generally expect it to be kept to the same standards as any other. Such an expectation is not entitlement. While some features (mods) are impossible, the state of the console port is inferior compared to the pc version due to new bugs, especially multiplayer, which was promised to receive patches for specific issues well over a year ago. As the title of this thread indicates, the port has been neglected.

I think,  when you take the single player game and the hours upon hours of entertainment from that game, that you paid a measly 20 bucks for,  for granted,  then that is text book entitlement. 

Everyone here acts like they got ripped off.  At the time it was released on xbox it was 8 years old,  and this type of game does NOT exist on xbox.  Meaning that before it was released we didn't even have the privilege of playing it. 

Now if they release a 60 dollar version of bannerlord and its got problems on multi-player,  then I'd  agree that there is an expectation.  This isn't like battlefield that is a multi-player first campaign second

 

[Cpt. Nemo]

The multiplayer is still part of the game though. While the singleplayer may be fine, being disgruntled at the state of the multiplayer isn't "text book entitlement" just because the other half of the game you prefer is up to scratch.

 

[DoHope]

Was its original release only 20 bucks?  Thats crazy,  definitely shouldn't be any *****ing from anyone if everyone only paid 20 bucks for such an amazing game. 

Just because it was 20 bucks dosent mean it excuses you from critisim. Thats a terrible way of thinking that hampers actual progress.

This game is 10 years old.  If you are surprised that they dont maintain high quality updates on the multiplayer servers,  then you arent being realistic.  If you've played the single player game and enjoyed it for hours then be happy.  I don't understand this sense of entitlement. They should not expend even a singlr person or take away from the bannerlord team.

If you spend money on a game for one platform, you generally expect it to be kept to the same standards as any other. Such an expectation is not entitlement. While some features (mods) are impossible, the state of the console port is inferior compared to the pc version due to new bugs, especially multiplayer, which was promised to receive patches for specific issues well over a year ago. As the title of this thread indicates, the port has been neglected.

I think,  when you take the single player game and the hours upon hours of entertainment from that game, that you paid a measly 20 bucks for,  for granted,  then that is text book entitlement. 

But this isn't about singleplayer, nobody cares about singleplayer, this post isn't about the singleplayer.
The console port suffers for no apparent reason as opposed to its PC variant. We deal with blatant glitches that break the game, but for some reason PC players don't?

You wanna talk about "entitlement", then look no further to the expectations of the entire PC player-base towards TW, and how their needs are met
And yet, all we ask for is a game with no glitches, and we aren't even given the liberty of that - a game without debilitating glitches and bugs.

what do you have to say about that? Or are you going to base your entire argument on singleplayer as if its somehow relevant to multiplayer.

 

[lolbash]

If you've played the single player game and enjoyed it for hours then be happy.

So of you had fun you are literally not allowed to point out flaws in the game to make it better?

What the actual **** kind of thinking is that??

Am I now not allowed to ask for ketchup on my fries because the fries tasted good?

I honestly don't give a single **** about the console port of warband because Bannerlord is coming out in under a year or 2 but you honestly piss me off with calling critisims and reviews as "entitlement"

 

[Old bannery]

If you've played the single player game and enjoyed it for hours then be happy.

So of you had fun you are literally not allowed to point out flaws in the game to make it better?

What the actual **** kind of thinking is that??

Am I now not allowed to ask for ketchup on my fries because the fries tasted good?

I honestly don't give a single **** about the console port of warband because Bannerlord is coming out in under a year or 2 but you honestly piss me off with calling critisims and reviews as "entitlement"

You can complain all you want!  You even have a platform to do it and you have! 

But,  if you come in on 50% off Wednesday and through a hissy fit when there is no ketchup for your fries,  you better be ready for other more grateful customers to look at you like a spoiled brat idiot

 

[Cpt. Nemo]

...that analogy doesn't work at all. A better one would be if the fries are full price, the ketchup is expired, and half of the fries are burnt.

I really don't think you're getting the issue here. The game is not half off, multiplayer is not some last minute edition. Again, just because the half of the game you prefer is mostly good, doesn't mean the other half shouldn't matter.

Also, friendly moderator reminder to tone down the posts a notch. Keep it civil.

 

[Old bannery]

...that analogy doesn't work at all. A better one would be if the fries are full price, the ketchup is expired, and half of the fries are burnt.

I really don't think you're getting the issue here. The game is not half off, multiplayer is not some last minute edition. Again, just because the half of the game you prefer is mostly good, doesn't mean the other half shouldn't matter.

Also, friendly moderator reminder to tone down the posts a notch. Keep it civil.

Are you telling me that it came out at 20 bucks?  For the pc in 2008?

If so,  it doesn't change the validity.  The game industry standard is 60 dollars upon release.

I will concede that multi-player and single player are two different issues.  I don't know however,  if the game was originally touted as a "multi-player " game as its main draw

 

[Cpt. Nemo]

What other games charge isn't relevant. And yes, Multiplayer was considered a huge reason to buy this game. There has been a strong international competitive community for years, with tons of tournaments, some of which even featured cash prizes. The state of multiplayer in Bannerlord has recently been the focus of a large discussion on the forums here. It is a part of the product, it was thoroughly tested and loved for years, and your apathy towards it does not make it worthless.

 

[Old bannery]

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Was its original release only 20 bucks?  Thats crazy,  definitely shouldn't be any *****ing from anyone if everyone only paid 20 bucks for such an amazing game. 

Just because it was 20 bucks dosent mean it excuses you from critisim. Thats a terrible way of thinking that hampers actual progress.

This game is 10 years old.  If you are surprised that they dont maintain high quality updates on the multiplayer servers,  then you arent being realistic.  If you've played the single player game and enjoyed it for hours then be happy.  I don't understand this sense of entitlement. They should not expend even a singlr person or take away from the bannerlord team.

If you spend money on a game for one platform, you generally expect it to be kept to the same standards as any other. Such an expectation is not entitlement. While some features (mods) are impossible, the state of the console port is inferior compared to the pc version due to new bugs, especially multiplayer, which was promised to receive patches for specific issues well over a year ago. As the title of this thread indicates, the port has been neglected.

I think,  when you take the single player game and the hours upon hours of entertainment from that game, that you paid a measly 20 bucks for,  for granted,  then that is text book entitlement. 

But this isn't about singleplayer, nobody cares about singleplayer, this post isn't about the singleplayer.
The console port suffers for no apparent reason as opposed to its PC variant. We deal with blatant glitches that break the game, but for some reason PC players don't?

You wanna talk about "entitlement", then look no further to the expectations of the entire PC player-base towards TW, and how their needs are met
And yet, all we ask for is a game with no glitches, and we aren't even given the liberty of that - a game without debilitating glitches and bugs.

what do you have to say about that? Or are you going to base your entire argument on singleplayer as if its somehow relevant to multiplayer.

You bring up a good point about pc players being entilted and elistist some times. 

Your original post you lined out your argument,  then immediately started stating your opinion about why you think counter arguments are wrong and i took issue with that and commented in the first place.  Otherwise  , if it was just a complaint specifically about multi-player,  i wouldn't have commented. 

My experience with multi-player,  i turned it on the first day i got the game and no one was playing. My first thought was,  "huh its not a multi-player focused game"

There have been a lot of games in the past that added a multi-player aspect,  but they  were not building thier game around it.  So being that there is precedence for adding half built multi-player aspects for goofing around it didn't matter to me. 

But not even triple A studios provide perpetual support for thier games.  At some point you have to stop pouring money into a game or it will bankrupt you

What other games charge isn't relevant. And yes, Multiplayer was considered a huge reason to buy this game. There has been a strong international competitive community for years, with tons of tournaments, some of which even featured cash prizes. The state of multiplayer in Bannerlord has recently been the focus of a large discussion on the forums here. It is a part of the product, it was thoroughly tested and loved for years, and your apathy towards it does not make it worthless.

What other studios charge for their games is absolutely relevant.  As is competition pricing in every industry in the world

Don't double post, please edit your post instead. Also, use spoilers when quotes start getting large.

 

[Cpt. Nemo]

My experience with multi-player,  i turned it on the first day i got the game and no one was playing. My first thought was,  "huh its not a multi-player focused game"

There have been a lot of games in the past that added a multi-player aspect,  but they  were not building thier game around it.  So being that there is precedence for adding half built multi-player aspects for goofing around it didn't matter to me. 

But not even triple A studios provide perpetual support for thier games.  At some point you have to stop pouring money into a game or it will bankrupt you

Multiplayer was tested in beta for a long time, with tons of players offering detailed feedback with the developers. It isn't half built. It's a meaningful addition to the game. The port isn't 10 years old. it's less than two, and was ported with new bugs, and no ways to deal with them. It isn't up to expectations because of that, and multiplayer would be much more lively if the issues affecting the port weren't neglected. In addition to the new bugs, it is impossible to deal with trolls, or organize proper events/servers/clan battles. If these issues were mitigated, you would likely see much more people on, and could have a similar multiplayer experience to what PC players have.

I doubt anyone expects a totally bug free experience. The PC version sure isn't, and that's fine. But the console port has unique problems for multiplayer, some of which should have been considered before it was launched, some of which were supposed to be fixed in a patch February 2017 or so that never came. It's disingenuous to say TW didn't try at all, but despite the specific improvements and considerations the port received (like making it much more controller friendly and even adding in voice commands for single player) the multiplayer side of the game feels like it was barely remembered at all, when it should've been treated equally important, just like it is/was on PC. And that's why so many console players feel like they've been burned.

 

[Old bannery]

My experience with multi-player,  i turned it on the first day i got the game and no one was playing. My first thought was,  "huh its not a multi-player focused game"

There have been a lot of games in the past that added a multi-player aspect,  but they  were not building thier game around it.  So being that there is precedence for adding half built multi-player aspects for goofing around it didn't matter to me. 

But not even triple A studios provide perpetual support for thier games.  At some point you have to stop pouring money into a game or it will bankrupt you

Multiplayer was tested in beta for a long time, with tons of players offering detailed feedback with the developers. It isn't half built. It's a meaningful addition to the game. The port isn't 10 years old. it's less than two, and was ported with new bugs, and no ways to deal with them. It isn't up to expectations because of that, and multiplayer would be much more lively if the issues affecting the port weren't neglected. In addition to the new bugs, it is impossible to deal with trolls, or organize proper events/servers/clan battles. If these issues were mitigated, you would likely see much more people on, and could have a similar multiplayer experience to what PC players have.

I doubt anyone expects a totally bug free experience. The PC version sure isn't, and that's fine. But the console port has unique problems for multiplayer, some of which should have been considered before it was launched, some of which were supposed to be fixed in a patch February 2017 or so that never came. It's disingenuous to say TW didn't try at all, but despite the specific improvements and considerations the port received (like making it much more controller friendly and even adding in voice commands for single player) the multiplayer side of the game feels like it was barely remembered at all, when it should've been treated equally important, just like it is/was on PC. And that's why so many console players feel like they've been burned.

Events?  I have no idea what you're talking about.  Besides mmorpgs my only multi-player experience has been with battlefield and such games.  What you're saying sounds more detailed than i expected. 

Yes the port is only 2 years old but the game itself is 10 years old,  so to me,  to expect it to be treated like a new release seems unrealistic. 

And being that all the games that come out on consoles are cookie cutter dumb downed games compared to PC,  im just overjoyed to get a good game on console.  And its looking like more and more creative concepts are coming out on consoles now,  but its had its share of droughts

 

[Cpt. Nemo]

****ed up, hit modify instead of quote, terribly sorry!! Fixed now.

Events? I have no idea what you're talking about.

Tournaments, clan battles, multiplayer campaigns like the reddit one, etc.

Besides mmorpgs my only multi-player experience has been with battlefield and such games. What you're saying sounds more detailed than i expected.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe you shouldn't be so dismissive of the players that *do* play multiplayer often then, and the issues plaguing it.

Yes the port is only 2 years old but the game itself is 10 years old, so to me, to expect it to be treated like a new release seems unrealistic. (that was 10 girlfriends ago!)

Doesn't need to be treated like a new release. It should be just be as playable as the old release on PC.

 

[Old bannery]

This post didn't make it overtly clear that it was about multi-player until like 2 pages in.  As far as the PC version,  i never played it until after playing it on xobox.  I got it on steam for the mods, and was very disappointed in the PC version and went back to Xbox.  So i have no way of comparing the two

 

[DoHope]

This post didn't make it overtly clear that it was about multi-player until like 2 pages in.  As far as the PC version,  i never played it until after playing it on xobox.  I got it on steam for the mods, and was very disappointed in the PC version and went back to Xbox.  So i have no way of comparing the two

The devs know the situation, so the negligence is implied via the complaints. (Admittedly, that wouldn't be so obvious to anyone who isn't involved in console multiplayer)
But anyway, this criticism wasn't for you, so your justification for ignorance does little here.

That's okay though, I'm not really upset at people who want to chime in with un-informed opinions. I'm more upset at how the devs released a crappy port, and fail to rectify the complaints that are a natural consequence of poor quality assurance.
Whatever the reason for the negligence, It's un-acceptable, that's my criticism.

I feel like this post has been closure for me, despite nothing being done to rectify the situation. Just as long as they know they screwed up, that's enough for me.

 

[DoHope]

@Cpt. Nemo

At first when I assessed this whole situation, I partly blamed you as part of the problem, and I was dissatisfied with your responses which provided no solutions to the problems I raised. I pretty much wondered why you were moderator in the first place  

But since you are on the frontier of the complaints, I guess that would make you more involved/informed than the rest of us, and it's not like you can do anything about their problems in the first place.

I appreciate that, and if not them, at least it's you who acknowledges the situation. So thanks, and also I think the xbox servers need a reset.   

 

[Old bannery]

Thank you for allowing me to chime in,  i appreciate it i really do. 

I played multi-player last night for about an hour.  It was a fun distraction.  But definitely nothing special.  Pretty much from what i could see its still a single player game with multi-player added at the end for fun. 

Reminds of golden eye.  After you've gotten sick on the game you just jump on and kill your friends.  Maybe bannerlord will expand upon multi-player,  but right now its nothing compared to other games that specialize in it

 

[Cpt. Nemo]

@Cpt. Nemo

At first when I assessed this whole situation, I partly blamed you as part of the problem, and I was dissatisfied with your responses which provided no solutions to the problems I raised. I pretty much wondered why you were moderator in the first place  

But since you are on the frontier of the complaints, I guess that would make you more involved/informed than the rest of us, and it's not like you can do anything about their problems in the first place.

I appreciate that, and if not them, at least it's you who acknowledges the situation. So thanks, and also I think the xbox servers need a reset.   

Well, uh, thanks. All I can really do is keep track of problems, and moderate the discussions. Also, I'm not tech support, I'm just a volunteer. I don't work for Taleworlds.

Reminds of golden eye.  After you've gotten sick on the game you just jump on and kill your friends.  Maybe bannerlord will expand upon multi-player,  but right now its nothing compared to other games that specialize in it

It really just seems it isn't your cup of tea, which is fine.

 

[Plasquar]

Sorry to interrupt with a somewhat offtopic question, but since we are talking about consoles...
I don't own neither a XBOX nor a PS4 but I'm thinking about buying one, although I never really used a console before.

Can you play mods on consoles?

 

[Cpt. Nemo]

Sorry to interrupt with a somewhat offtopic question, but since we are talking about consoles...

You'll find that there's a much more relevant thread than this one to ask questions like that in, stickied even. But to answer it, no, the console port does not have mods.