corona? :(

[dijiTurk]

Sorry.. I need to read more careful, too.
Here some random/selected(by me) news related with corona, if some missed:

Faked travel documents and foreign weddings: Love in the time of COVID

Facing lockdown alone, these couples faked travel documents and got married in foreign countries, all in the name of love.

www.euronews.com

Vaccine benefits increase with age and infection rates, EMA says

The European Medicines Agency maintained that the benefits of getting vaccinated with available jabs outweigh the risks.

www.euronews.com

Is Pfizer Quietly Targeting Other Vaccines, While Holding Back on Its Own Safety Record?

Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine entered the market in 2020, being advertised as an extremely safe product. However, recent jab-related data from around the world may very well put these statements into question when it comes to both side...

sputniknews.com

US to resume J&J COVID vaccinations despite rare clot risk

U.S. health officials lifted an 11-day pause on COVID-19 vaccinations using Johnson & Johnson's single-dose shot on Friday, after scientific advisers decided its benefits outweigh a rare risk of blood clot...

apnews.com

 

[eddiemccandless]

@dijiTurk Sputnik news is a Russian propaganda tool, just fyi.

Sputnik (news agency) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just a practical example of how "reliable" this is as source of information:

Secret File Confirms Trump Claim: Obama, Hillary 'Founded ISIS' to Oust Assad

The Obama Administration’s policy of supporting Salafist opposition to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad saw the United States unwittingly support the creation of the Daesh 'caliphate' in Syria.

sputniknews.com

Like come on man. At least take the time to look up the news source on google

 

[Mad Vader]

It's hopeless, give up. Spamming crap > learning to check media for accuracy. Spam spam spam as long as it has Covid in the title.

 

[dijiTurk]

@dijiTurk Sputnik news is a Russian propaganda tool, just fyi.

Sputnik (news agency) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just a practical example of how "reliable" this is as source of information:

Secret File Confirms Trump Claim: Obama, Hillary 'Founded ISIS' to Oust Assad

The Obama Administration’s policy of supporting Salafist opposition to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad saw the United States unwittingly support the creation of the Daesh 'caliphate' in Syria.

sputniknews.com

Like come on man. At least take the time to look up the news source on google

I don't like to write much, i want to share news only but, here your answer, sir:

隐藏: :

Firstly, if "Reuters, Ap, VoA or other news sources" make a turkish application(that serves always up-to-date & summarized/ornagized[easy to read] news), i would like to read/follow/check them whenever i need to reach some news. Also expanding sources is as good as the checking all news from all sides.. With this approach, i focused on the health part/graphs of that news.

Secondly, that health related news from sputnik has "sources" at its' graphics.which seems OK at first look/for me(im not a researcher, just a basic reader). And, news does not say "deaths linked with vaccines". News just shares some numbers from some sources, and asks a question. Now, question may be designed as a part of defamation to competing vaccine manufacturer, or there may be some economic and political motives.. That's a possibility, but when i read it, i focused on those graphs with numbers(which is not common to see around & pretty catchy).

> If there are some serious disinformation from any news agency; there must be economic penalty for them for each disinformative service. However, this penalty should come from an universal organization/court within the framework of universal law/rights. Which is not my work as a basic reader. Universal authorities should do that inside the framework. If there is a problem, there should be punishment.
> If sputnik keeps sharing disinformations, and no punishment for its' news. There is a problem at authorities, not me(basic reader).
> If there is nothing to punish by authoroties, then i should be able to keep seeing from all windows, and maximaze the possibility of reaching truth at any case from anywhere. So, even north korea shares a news for vaccines, i should be able to read it, if i can. It does help to finding universal truth(the one) from a part.

This is my view, and i'm not an authority/researcher(etc). I'm just a reader. Please go to auhotories if there is a pure propagandist disinformations & please gimme space at my peaceful approach in corona-related-news thread.


Btw "interest" word for countires is pretty dangerous for human/animal rights. That's why i dont take a side of any country while looking a subject, but values. And, that's why find EU valuable..Because EU is the source of the modern values which guards rights if the core is not forgetten.

 

[eddiemccandless]

Sputnik news is a Russian government agency. It is pretty much Putin whispering in your ear and telling you whatever he wants you to hear. There is absolutely nothing of value to be gained from reading anything they publish. You might as well be getting your news from North Korea propaganda agencies. It isn't even trying to look like a news outlet.

And by the way, I am giving you all the space you want. I am not a moderator, it's not like I am censoring you. I am just calling out your sources when they are obvious crap honestly I am doing it more for your benefit than anything else. No one deserves to fall for that kind of thing. It's not like anyone on this forum is really likely to take them seriously at this point.

 

[dijiTurk]

Sputnik news is a Russian government agency. It is pretty much Putin whispering in your ear and telling you whatever he wants you to hear.

A country + it's management style/it's government/it's leader/it's offical news agancy; must be considered/listened within freedom of expression . If there is a clear deliberate/malicious what they express >>> then universal / valuable authority(universal organization/court) must act within a valuable framework(The action should be economic, but if there is a military risk to destroy values, of course, a military measure should also be established.) This is must be a general approach . And any government or agency must be in same scope.

I'm sharing news here fron any place i find randomly... And only health related news..
I shouldn't be burned like a witch in the dark ages for this.
Values should be clear.

There is absolutely nothing of value to be gained from reading anything they publish.

Definetely too sharp statement..

If those who listened to Lady Marry thought of it as harsh, smallpox treatment would come much later to England from the Ottoman Empire..

Lady Mary Wortley Montagu - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Mad Vader]

A country + it's management style/it's government/it's leader/it's offical news agancy; must be considered/listened within freedom of expression . If there is a clear deliberate/malicious what they express >>> then universal / valuable authority(universal organization/court) must act within a valuable framework(The action should be economic, but if there is a military risk to destroy values, of course, a military measure should also be established.) This is must be a general approach . And any government or agency must be in same scope.

No, it doesn't work like that. There's no international law that says countries shouldn't have propagandist media.
It's your responsibility to watch where you get your information.

I'm sharing news here fron any place i find randomly...

Why would you do that??? That's spamming.
You are like a child who wants to blabber about poorly understood stuff with adults. It's pointless and annoying.
Find something else to do to get the approval of your peers, like posting on the MP boards.
Funny stuff like this:

The main entertainment of mount and blade had been multi-player.

And yes, single-player is still more focused than needed, but we need multi-player side much more than sp side.

Please accept this. I dont say sp is not needed, it should be there with only base features.

 

[dijiTurk]

No, it doesn't work like that. There's no international law that says countries shouldn't have propagandist media.

There must be for a better world.

It's your responsibility to watch where you get your information.

I watch it as much as i can do. I'm not authortyity etc(only a reader). And, i try to share better quality at news while selecting them randomly(not like: short/advertisement type news)

Why would you do that??? That's spamming.
You are like a child who wants to blabber about poorly understood stuff with adults. It's pointless and annoying.

I was only sharing corona related news here, like collecting them here, in this thread.. You can count it like a diary.
Also this thread and my responds are not limited with ages.. If you dont want to see childish messages, then you can ban that kid anytime you wish.

Find something else to do to get the approval of your peers, like posting on the MP boards.
Funny stuff like this:

I would like it better if I just continue to share news here/time to time, and not get anyone's approval. Perfect.

(ban me <3 )

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

> If sputnik keeps sharing disinformations, and no punishment for its' news. There is a problem at authorities, not me(basic reader).

If you can't take resposibility for informing yourself on what is and isn't completely false, what is even the point of a free press?

 

[dijiTurk]

Basic reader may overlooked the misinformation in a news. That's the responsibility of authorities. not the reader, right?
Also, isn't it wrong to attribute an entire news agency to false altogether?

Values are not for "more equal" ones. They are for all. And, if you see a problem at somewhere in agency, go for the problem, not entire of the agency. It's also aganist the free press value..

 

[eddiemccandless]

Basic reader may overlooked the misinformation in a news. That's the responsibility of authorities. not the reader, right?
Also, isn't it wrong to attribute an entire news agency to false altogether?

Values are not for "more equal" ones. They are for all. And, if you see a problem at somewhere in agency, go for the problem, not entire of the agency. It's also aganist the free press value..

No. It is your responsibility, as a reader and as an adult with a working brain, to distinguish what is true from what is false. Or at least to try. There are no powers that be that will do that for you (and it would be terrifying if there were, honestly).

Sometimes it is not easy as things are not so clear cut, but in this case it is very, very easy. That is not a news outlet. That is the entire point. And lol at declaring war to Russia because their government engages in propaganda. If everyone saw it that way Earth would be a wasteland.

And again, I am not burning anyone at the stake and no one is "banning" you. We see you taking trash as news, and we are informing you that that is indeed trash. You do with that what you will. You can keep posting trash if you'd like. We will keep calling you out on it. Or, you know, you could make a small effort to do better which would ultimately result in you being more informed, since you claim that that is your goal.

 

[dijiTurk]

...
And lol at declaring war to Russia because their government engages in propaganda. If everyone saw it that way Earth would be a wasteland.

I meant fines only to the creator of the news. I just said its OK to be prepared for defending all values, if there is government going bad. But the process must be executed in totally valuable organization. It matters how and with what is approached.

And again, I am not burning anyone at the stake and no one is "banning" you. We see you taking trash as news, and we are informing you that that is indeed trash. You do with that what you will. You can keep posting trash if you'd like. We will keep calling you out on it. Or, you know, you could make a small effort to do better which would ultimately result in you being more informed, since you claim that that is your goal.

I said "ban me" to @MadVader . I used a singular subject there.
And, i am absolutely grateful for your informing effort. Just.. I would like to deal with the events a little more simply and on the basis of rights.

 

[eddiemccandless]

I meant fines only to the creator of the news. I just said its OK to be prepared for defending all values, if there is government going bad. But the process must be executed in totally valuable organization. It matters how and with what is approached.

I said "ban me" to @MadVader . I used a singular subject there.
And, i am absolutely grateful for your informing effort. Just.. I would like to deal with the events a little more simply and on the basis of rights.

The creator of the news is Putin in this case . The government definitely went bad there. I get what you are trying to say, but there is simply nothing in the world as it exists now that will prevent Russia (or Iran, or China, or even the US for that matter even if they tend to be more subtle about it) from spreading propaganda. Honestly I like this Sputnik website better than other ways of doing it, at least it is very clear that that is what is happening here.

Some governments actually are trying to do something about it. Since this is pretty much a form of phishing, all one can do is try to educate the users, with document such as this one (which I think is a good read and could probably help you improve the quality of your sources). And I do understand that it must be overwhelming to figure these things out when your English is not necessarily perfect (I am not a native speaker and I went through that too).

 

[Lord Ferdinand]

@dijiTurk Sputnik news is a Russian propaganda tool, just fyi.

Sputnik (news agency) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just a practical example of how "reliable" this is as source of information:

Secret File Confirms Trump Claim: Obama, Hillary 'Founded ISIS' to Oust Assad

The Obama Administration’s policy of supporting Salafist opposition to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad saw the United States unwittingly support the creation of the Daesh 'caliphate' in Syria.

sputniknews.com

Like come on man. At least take the time to look up the news source on google

Everyone knows it's true, if you are not a CNN-MSNBC-& co.brainwashed viewer.
Stop watching Rai-Mediaset-La7-Sky news bro. ?

 

[eddiemccandless]

Everyone knows it's true, if you are not a CNN-MSNBC-& co.brainwashed viewer.
Stop watching Rai-Mediaset-La7-Sky news bro. ?

What's true, Obama and Clinton creating ISIS? I don't watch any of those, actually, appreciate the concern though.

Edit: in the spirit of taking the conversation back on topic, here's an interesting article on covid disinformation written by Renee DiResta, an expert on disinformation campaigns.

The Anti-Vaccine Influencers Who Are Merely Asking Questions

Institutional experts haven’t adapted to today’s media ecosystem. Other commentators are filling the gap.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Mad Vader]

The creator of the news is Putin in this case . The government definitely went bad there. I get what you are trying to say, but there is simply nothing in the world as it exists now that will prevent Russia (or Iran, or China, or even the US for that matter even if they tend to be more subtle about it) from spreading propaganda. Honestly I like this Sputnik website better than other ways of doing it, at least it is very clear that that is what is happening here.

The murky world of state propaganda is far more expansive and complex than we think. I was recently engaged in doing a research on a country that's not exactly friend of the West and this collective West wants a regime change there (eventually).
Part of that research was about the media situation there. There was an outstanding number of anti-government media almost completely funded by the US and/or the EU (even Japan gives some money). The subversive media is not exactly forthcoming about their funding sources, just as Sputnik and RT aren't.
The much subtler and more numerous flow of money for soft subversion are Western non-government grants either to home NGOs or foreign ones that operate there. That money goes to people that actually oppose the government and is used to promote nice things like democracy and free market, the very opposites of regime policy. It's a long game of influence but the final goal is obvious. Those grants have a huge total which means the EU and the US are serious. No one pays attention to those though! The regime is only playing a minor game of interference because they could use the foreign currency in-flow.

 

[Adorno]

A funny/odd case from the US

Miami school bars vaccinated teachers from seeing students

The fee-paying Miami school told staff vaccinated teachers might "transmit something" to students.

www.bbc.com

"We cannot allow recently vaccinated people to be near our students until more information is known," Mrs Centner [co-founder of the school] wrote.

Mrs Centner also repeated a false claim of vaccinated individuals affecting unvaccinated people, saying three women in the school's community had their menstrual cycles "impacted after having spent time with a vaccinated person".

 

[eddiemccandless]

Yeaaaah I just saw this myself. Also apparently now Tucker Carlson is inciting people to call the police on parents who have their children wear face masks.

Tucker Carlson, Unmasked

The self-styled champion of individual liberty wants you to call government agents to punish Americans for their parenting.

www.theatlantic.com

(Video of good ol Tucker included, if you can stomach it)

 

[Mad Vader]

The US has such extremists in the mainstream, it's only really funny if you don't live there.
Meanwhile Europe debates about vaccine passports/passes and whether they are ethical. The anti-something people are up in arms about their freedom not to be vaccinated, because plague-bearing is a human right, and they don't want to feel like second-class citizens when excluded from vaccinated-only activities and venues which begin to open up.
The counter-argument is that the alternative is closing these activities to everybody until general vaccination rate is sufficiently high. They just want to ruin it for others, which fits with their general selfish behavior. However, governments are known to back off from good public health measures if enough of the electorate is angry at Bannerlord forum levels.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

saying three women in the school's community had their menstrual cycles "impacted after having spent time with a vaccinated person".

Should've worn condoms to be tbh m8