communism or not???

[Blackfox]

hi

okey I must confess that i hade or have hated the idea about communism

but i whant to know a little thing about it before i really can say i hate it...

but no body can change my mind about CCCP no mather what people say i HATE the leaders of the former CCCP!

maybe it becose my parent is born in Poland when it had soviet influense when people starved to death and things like that

or like when stalin commanded hundreds of soviet soldier to kill thousends of polsih officers and they fought that soviet was going to help them against natzi germany *under WWII*

but can people tell me why they like the idea about communism*nothing ill about it but i wish to know...

 

[Nairagorn]

Well, it's a great idea, and can work well for small groups of people. However, human nature quickly comes into play and people start cheating and the system breaks down.

I feel there has never been a truly communist society over the tribal level.

 

[Ilex]

One could as well say that they hate the democracy just because the united bombed the German cities (with civilians in them) in WW2. That is just one example of "a horrid act" commited by nation with democracy.

 

[sheek]

I think some things were better under communism (in the USSR after the 60's and Stalin) than they are now under capitalism. There was free health care, education, housing for everybody, less youth crime, no homelessness, no drug addiction. If you wanted to be a nuclear scientist and studied hard at school any body could become one.

There was corruption, no political freedom and there were stupid wars (like Afghanistan from 1980) but for the average person in the center of the USSR life wasn't too bad.

Now ultra-liberal capitalism has spread all over the world. Every government wants to privatize, deregulate, open borders. Russian men's life expectancy has dropped 15 years, many people live in misery, there is violence, drugs, the mafia in government.

I am not a supporter of communism but I think there should be a balance that has been lost today. I'm for capitalism if it is properly regulated and serves the interests of all the people.

 

[Hardclyff]

So you think communism served interests of all the people?

 

[sheek]

I think it served the interests of all the people (in the 60's-80's within the USSR, the other countries of the Warsaw Pact are a different story) more than the current US capitalism does. As I said I'm not for communism but if I have to choose between that and extreme liberalism the choice isn't too clear.

I think the most ideal are the systems France and Germany had during reconstruction. And they were inspired by the system the USA had in the 30's-40's (Franklin Roosevelt). The problem is to have that system you need to control your own currency which is impossible with globalization.

 

[sheek]

For the record I am not a socialist personally. It's when people start attacking 'communism' they also the trade unions, worker/consumer rights, the welfare state and I am forced to defend it. In history most of the people who have been anti-communist have been extreme right and trying to scare people to impose their own agenda.

 

[Blackfox]

thats like someboy said that maybe it it will work on a few people but when its millions of people its dommed to failed...

but is someone a really communist that knows a little more about the subject????

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

It´s a great system, really.
For people that want to be treated as everyone.
If you ever said, in your entire life, something as "I´m smarter then him" or "I deserve better wages" or.... "This is MINE!"... it´s not good for you.

 

[Destichado]

I can give you thousands of reasons to hate and dispise communism as a social evil -and that's without ever going into what the Soviet Union "did" to people and countries.

But it looks like our Swedish friend hardly needs any of those.

 

[Yoshiboy]

socialism = the only solution

end.

 

[Lost-Lamb]

True Communism would be the best for everyone, but communism is impossible because of human nature

 

[Worbah]

I just can't understand the ignorance of people when it comes to discussing communism. They just freak out and start ranting. Hostility towards information is all too common these days.

 

[Destichado]

Ignorance and lack of information is all too common, these days.

Anyone who claims communism is economicly viable is an uneducated idiot. All you have to do is look at a history book -Quod Errat Demonstradum. Anyone who claims socialism is beneficial as an economic model doesn't know what socialism is for, and doesn't understand Keynsian economics.

Hostility to information my eye.

 

[sheek]

What is 'socialism'?

I ask you because I know it is a word used by different people to mean very different things. For some people it just means 'left wing'. In the USA I get the impression it means 'communism', a big totalitarian government. Other people think it means a branch of the theories that comes from Karl Marx - 'proletarian dictatorship', 'means of production' (right phrase?) etc.

But there were socialist parties long before Karl Marx. Many socialists have never read a Marxist book in their life (me neither).

 

[n00854180t]

I just can't understand the ignorance of people when it comes to discussing communism. They just freak out and start ranting. Hostility towards information is all too common these days.

Indeed, I regret the wasted time it took to click the link to this thread.

 

[Ordie]

Communism is idilic. An utopy. It just doesn't work because people always try to make it work for them specifically. For example, it would work if everyone would work toward one goal, but if there's one single person who tries to work less, then someone else does it too, and another, and another, and when you look at it you have 1/2 the population not working, while the other half works double. Besides, there's the competitive problem. Humans are, by nature, competitive creatures. Although there are a few that could overcome that, you can't expect millions to go against their nature and work towards the community. It just doesn't work that way.

Cheers.

 

[Jmn]

Socialism is inefficient; communism is unrealistic.

Both are far inferior to pure capitalism.

 

[Rabid Potatoe]

A mix between the two would be good... E.g. Capitalsim with all buisnesses owned by the government. This means that the buisnesses cant tell the politicians what to do (More so in the usa becuase they fund the election campaigns) Please dont flame me, for I am an unwise 14 year old

 

[Ordie]

Capitalism with Government-owned business wouldnt be Capitalism, for the heart of Capitalism lies in privates owning and being able to invest in their businesses.