Columbus Day in the Carribean? I hope not.

[Can O Soup]

Why would native Caribbeans hate Columbus? Consider the estimates of the number of Natives in the area of Columbus main settlement. Before Columbus/At Columbus' "Discovery" of the Caribbean. Estimates are at about 8,000,000 natives. One or two generations later? Probably somwhere around 3,000,000. Why the sudden drop? Disease, slavery, and exorbitant tributes. Every person over the age of fourteen had to bring 25lbs. of wool or have their hands cut off. That tribute was for 3 months. Columbus sucks. Your American History book (If that's where you are) will generally avoid three things. Sex, religion, and social class. Do you generally hear about bad things done in the name of God? How about the Crusades? The expulsion of the Jews from Spain? Did you know that most Islamic cultures allowed Christians and jews to practice their religion after conquered? History is not black and white, nor is it absolute. It is controversial, and it is nasty.

(My argument is much from the book Lies My Teacher Told Me. Good book. i agree with it.)

 

[Destichado]

This is so OLD it's disgusting. It has far more to do with communist foreign policy propaganda from 1965 than anything history tells us.

Go away, little parrot. Come back when you've filled your mushy little grey matter with something substantial.
Grow up and get an education, infant.

 

[Can O Soup]

Communist? Helen Keller? Look, my point isn't that Columbus was a Devil, but neither is he a saint.

 

[SiR K1lLaLoT]

Seriously, get a life.

And those things about Christianity being so evil and Islam not?When they were conquered by the muslims, they were riddled with so many new rules that they weren't allowed to practice their religion the way it the way it was meant to be practiced http://forums.taleworlds.com/viewtopic.php?t=3663

and...

Go away, little parrot. Come back when you've filled your mushy little grey matter with something substantial.
Grow up and get an education, infant.

Couldn't have said it better myself

 

[Temujin]

tomato soup, if you want a civil discussion on these matters go to www.twcenter.net I rejoined them again since the reason why I left them is gone now go there and then go the "Thema Devia" subboard. there is a category for politics, ethics and morale, religion, history, and general chat

 

[catsoup]

if germans would win the ww2 they'd perhaps celebrate a hitler day. The anglican irish have a William III of Orange day, who slaughtered a lot of catholics. Not to mention how much the french love Bonaparte.

 

[Cleisthenes]

Do you generally hear about bad things done in the name of God? How about the Crusades? The expulsion of the Jews from Spain? Did you know that most Islamic cultures allowed Christians and jews to practice their religion after conquered?

You are perhaps familiar with the fact that the Muslim Almohads expelled the Jews from their own Spanish territories in 1147 and that the Christian king of northern Spain was more favorably disposed toward the Jews and let many of them settle in the north at that time? Persecution of the Jews depended on the whim of the current ruler, and the Muslims had several Jew-hating rulers. It appears that everything is not so straightforward as your new book would have you believe.

For an actual in-depth discussion of the reasons behind the Crusades, follow the link given by Sir Killalot above.

(My argument is much from the book Lies My Teacher Told Me. Good book. i agree with it.)

At the moment, you are just replacing bias with more bias.

(Edit: Btw, Temujin, I used to hang out on the Thema Devia too. It is a great place for general off-topic discussion.)