Civilian outfit

[Kerrys86]

How do you use the same weapon for civilian and battle outfit

 

[Flauvious]

I'm pretty sure you cant. Companions all comeing with duplicate weapons tells me you need separate equipment which is dumb.

 

[Kerrys86]

Yeah they need to fix that

 

[JuanNieve]

Do you know if a different color than our Banner can be used for armor and civilian clothing?

 

[Zerfsack]

The civilian outfit makes sense in my opinion. If your using civilian equipment as your main equipment worrying about civilian outfit should be low on the list. Altho it would be nice to know what makes an item civilian.

 

[Astran]

it would be nice to know what makes an item civilian.

This is my only problem with this mechanic atm.

 

[BlackthornPC]

Can't equip a weapon other than starting axe. Issue is the gang fights have you in civ clothing, so no weapon if you don't have one equipped.

 

[Dest45]

Pretty sure you can have a short sword or a dagger. Or one of the civilian weapons, pitchfork, hammer. Upgrading Roguery will let you bring in better weapons

 

[Faenwulf]

An Item literally says if it's civilian. Just Check in the Info, there's a Symbol right above the Stars that Shows it.

 

[Ugbukk]

How do you use the same weapon for civilian and battle outfit

Look at the weapon your using, if your a civilian your only allowed certain weapons. If you have a non-civilian weapon , your considered a threat.
Would you prefer the guards confiscate your non-civilian weapon and armor when you go into town?

 

[Ugbukk]

This is my only problem with this mechanic atm.

Go to the shop, click the civilian tab and if it changes color it is NOT civilian.

 

[Ugbukk]

The truly odd thing is that 'Butter' is not a civilian item. Im confused with that.

 

[SigilFey]

Well, my guess is they'll probably incorporate something like Kingdom Come: Deliverance, where wearing certain clothing will augment your reactions to certain people. So, if I dress up like a tough, I'll get better reactions from underworld types. If I dress in high fashion, I'll do better with nobles. Would make sense for the outfits to be distinct, in that regard.

Also makes sense for weapons to be highly regulated. Most of Medieval Europe and Japan had extraordinarily strict rules about who could carry what type of weapon. Oddly enough, though swords are definitely side-arms / jewelry, rather than any sort of "battlefield" weapon, proper swords were not permitted to anyone but nobles. It's where things like falchions first came from -- people trying to differentiate their "big knives" as cleavers or machete types of tools. Not swords...DEFINITELY not. That...that would be illegal...

 

[CoolYo]

There is a perk in roguery i believe that lets you use any one-handed weapon in cities. I got a tier 5 civilian sword, but would rather use a axe so trying to level up my rogue skill for that perk.

 

[Neobrand]

Also makes sense for weapons to be highly regulated. Most of Medieval Europe and Japan had extraordinarily strict rules about who could carry what type of weapon. Oddly enough, though swords are definitely side-arms / jewelry, rather than any sort of "battlefield" weapon, proper swords were not permitted to anyone but nobles. It's where things like falchions first came from -- people trying to differentiate their "big knives" as cleavers or machete types of tools. Not swords...DEFINITELY not. That...that would be illegal...

I agree with you on this, and would add that swords where considered made for battle (and thus forbidden in cities) if they had 2 cutting edges, leading to people using falchions to "cut sausage". It great that Bannerlord added this feature in the game, it adds authenticity, even if it's a bit hard to know what's considered civilian and what's not (especially if you want to craft your own weapons).

 

[SigilFey]

I agree with you on this, and would add that swords where considered made for battle (and thus forbidden in cities) if they had 2 cutting edges, leading to people using falchions to "cut sausage". It great that Bannerlord added this feature in the game, it adds authenticity, even if it's a bit hard to know what's considered civilian and what's not (especially if you want to craft your own weapons).

Feels to me like it's loosely based on real-world customs, only it's sort of a mix of them from various regions. The only one I can talk in-depth about is the sword as it pertains to western Europe during the early stages of chivalry. "Swords", meaning true, arming swords or longswords, are not battlefield weapons (as opposed to greatswords, which are, but are a totally different sort of weapon compared to a sword you would wear on you hip). Arming and long-swords are sidearms; the closest, modern equivalent would be a pistol. In battle, you didn't want to be in position where you needed to draw your sword: that meant you had lost your "real" weapon. Swords are by and large useless against pretty much any type of armor. A spear is better at piercing it. An axe is better for dealing up-front damage and leaving grievous wounds. A mace or hammer is much better at just getting through it with concussive force. Any polearm or beaked weapon is best for hooking the enemy's armor or shield to knock them off balance and create openings. A sword's primary use on the battlefield would be defensive. It's light, well-balanced, and can be wielded with a pretty tremendous amount of skill. But the only thing it can really do against an armored opponent offensively is get into the chinks of the armor for a stab or a cut...and any knife or dagger is a far better tool for that if you're going to get in that close.

So...what's so special about a sword? Primarily, there's no more effective weapon one could hope for against un-armored opponents. Against simple cloth, leather, or flesh, a sword is devastating. It can be wielded extremely fluently, and would create both an offensive and defensive advantage against pretty much any other type of weapon if one's opponent had no armor to back them up. It can be wielded far more quickly than any axe or cudgel. It can be used to directly close the distance on a spear or polearm. It can beat the reach of a knife or dagger. Without a ranged weapon, people facing a person weilding a sword are in dire straights unless they're also well-trained and have a sword of their own.

Hence, laws were passed that would prevent the average brown-bread-eater from walking around in society with a sword on their belt. Only people of prestige (initially, only nobles and knights) were permitted to own swords, let alone carry them. In a sense, I think it was a great deterrent. Just the sight of someone walking up to a troubled situation wearing a sword would set people on their heels. Similar to how a "display" of sidearms in the modern day may neutralize a situation without them actually being used. However, if anyone and everyone can have a sidearm on them...now it's more likely to escalate a situation and result in violence.

Thus, only weapons that were also considered "tools" were allowed in respectable society: knives, wood axes, crafting hammers, bows, a boar spear, etc. Weapons that were designed for warfare were outlawed: battle axes, warhammers, polearms like halberds or glaives, etc. And the sword was among the most paramount restrictions, as it was not only crazy-fast-and-deadly off the battlefield, it was also a badge of status and position.

 

[Herr_Tankred]

The truly odd thing is that 'Butter' is not a civilian item. Im confused with that.

You don't know what criminal things can be done with butter...

But I agree, that is funny.

I would prefer some more revealing civilian dresses for female chars, specially for the empire - scandalous semi-transparent silk for example. And an option to choose other colours than that of clan/realm - a meeting with a group of nobles (for example if an army is in town looks boring: all in same colour.