christianity hates woman!

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here is something interesting about your precious religion

I am actually reading the bible, and noticed that it is verry agressive towards woman. so as a Christian you have a dark desire to opress woman!

some examples are:

1 Timothy 2:11-15 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be restored through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."

Genesis 4:16 "To the woman he said "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Leviticus 12:1-6 "The Lord said to Moses, "Say to the Israelites: 'A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding".
Deuteronomy 22:13, 20-21 "If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you."

this one means: if a man marries a woman, then sleeps with her, then claims he didn't find proof she was a virgin, she will be killed because there is no way to prove such a thing after he slepped with her

Leviticus 22:23-24 "If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death-the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help"

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl".
Deuteronomy 23:1 "No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the lord".
Revelation 14:4 "These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure".

The bible hates women. The last two quotes indicate that only men will enter heaven.


you may want to disregard this as Jewish law and part of the Old Testament wich is not relevant to Christians, because Jezus changed this! however! if you do, then that means you are a sinner as Yahweh YOUR god made it verry clear that he is an envious god and that he does not accept the idolatry (spelling?) of others! wich is something Christians do with Jezus and therefore if you are a Christian you have allready turned away from the Lord!

so Christianity is basicly either a woman hating religion but true to the LORD, or it is a woman friendly religion but sinfull towards GOD.

now, how do you feel about your little religion now huh?

and don't you wish you didn't call me self centered ey?
 
I think most people already know this.I new a guy that was realy into the whole Bible "thing" and know matter how much you pointed things out to him that were wrong or don't make any sense he just gives you a dumb excuse and will never admit that he's wrong and that all his beliefs are bunch of crazy hipocritical bull **** .So what i'm saying is that you just wasting you time trying to make him change his mind.

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[joke]It should! That bastard Eve persuaded Adam to eat the apple. Without her we would be in paradise. So all the war, pain and all that scheit is because of woman. Let them suffer. :twisted: [/joke]
(Yea, yea I don't believe that stuff).

It's quite obvious that christianity is a pathriarcal religion. Women aren't allowed to be priests and such. But one must realise that, that every written text reflects it's period of writing (and culture of course). The most of bible was written in a society whre women were not greatly appreciated (as far as I know). For example the number of brothers Jesus had is known but the number of sisters is not known (I think it was so that there were sisters, just the number was unknown).
 
Name a single culture where women had same or better position than men :cool: Maybe during prehistoric period woman was under certain circumstances considered equal to a man, but that's pretty much it.
 
Nope, I know none. So the conclusion: Old religions suck (well atleast in the female perspective). And as most of the religions are old we get the conclusion: All religions suck. There you have it, a highly thought out explanation why religions suck so bad (in addition to the fact that most cost, if you want to be an "active member" and most take time out of your live for things such as praying) .
 
Hardclyff said:
Name a single culture where women had same or better position than men :cool: Maybe during prehistoric period woman was under certain circumstances considered equal to a man, but that's pretty much it.
Sparta, Minoans, Egypt *sort of* and there was a kindom in Africa were women ruled, just can't remember the name
 
ilex said:
Nope, I know none. So the conclusion: Old religions suck (well atleast in the female perspective). And as most of the religions are old we get the conclusion: All religions suck. There you have it, a highly thought out explanation why religions suck so bad (in addition to the fact that most cost, if you want to be an "active member" and most take time out of your live for things such as praying) .
No, religions don't suck. They are still around for several reasons: 1) they offer people a 'convinient' way to leave this world; 2) give people sense of 'higher justice' which will eventually come to everyone so it makes easier for them to get over accept injustices commited; 3) make people feel morally superior to 'unbelievers'

At least the first two reasons are fine by me.
 
Hardclyff said:
ilex said:
Nope, I know none. So the conclusion: Old religions suck (well atleast in the female perspective). And as most of the religions are old we get the conclusion: All religions suck. There you have it, a highly thought out explanation why religions suck so bad (in addition to the fact that most cost, if you want to be an "active member" and most take time out of your live for things such as praying) .
No, religions don't suck. They are still around for several reasons: 1) they offer people a 'convinient' way to leave this world; 2) give people sense of 'higher justice' which will eventually come to everyone so it makes easier for them to get over accept injustices commited; 3) make people feel morally superior to 'unbelievers'

At least the first two reasons are fine by me.
Ok, ok fine I admit it: It might make the some people (the weak-minded) feel good about the world and themselves.
EDIT: ... and of course religion is a great way to enforce one's rule over the herd of foolish mammals, that are sometimes referred as people.
 
Hardclyff said:
ilex said:
Nope, I know none. So the conclusion: Old religions suck (well atleast in the female perspective). And as most of the religions are old we get the conclusion: All religions suck. There you have it, a highly thought out explanation why religions suck so bad (in addition to the fact that most cost, if you want to be an "active member" and most take time out of your live for things such as praying) .
No, religions don't suck. They are still around for several reasons: 1) they offer people a 'convinient' way to leave this world; 2) give people sense of 'higher justice' which will eventually come to everyone so it makes easier for them to get over accept injustices commited; 3) make people feel morally superior to 'unbelievers'

At least the first two reasons are fine by me.

No really... religon sucks :???: religon always (hence the bold red) brings war, prejedice and violence... e.g Holocaust and oh yeah heres a recent on.... terrorism! According to some terrorist they are in a holy war against ''the west'' so all religons bring is hope but whats the use in hoping for a good afterlife when your current life is so currupt and full of suffering?
 
I believe it is not the religion that brings war and such things, it is merely used as a tool to commit such things (by someone who has the brains to use it wisely), but that's just me.
 
And about the women's role:
Sparta - still women weren't part of politics and weren't allowed to fight so hardly an equal to man
Minoa - you are right about this, however it was rather a short period (about 300 years IIRC) when women played decisive role in society, compared to tens of thousands years of organized human society
Egypt - dunno about this but you probably think Cleopatra :wink:
 
ilex said:
I believe it is not the religion that brings war and such things, it is merely used as a tool to commit such things (by someone who has the brains to use it wisely), but that's just me.

and did i say religon was the only reason for war, discrimination and violence.... no
 
Holocaust isn't the greatest example though. Hitler in the phase of gaining his power only needed a clearly identifiable and separatable group of people who could be blamed for povertry in Germany. So he chose communists and jews. But he could as well choose people with brown hair and green eyes or people taller than 1,90m, only later on he started to believe his own fantasies about jew-communist-western conspirations and so on...
 
Hardclyff said:
Holocaust isn't the greatest example though. Hitler in the phase of gaining his power only needed a clearly identifiable and separatable group of people who could be blamed for povertry in Germany. So he chose communists and jews. But he could as well choose people with brown hair and green eyes or people taller than 1,90m, only later on he started to believe his own fantasies about jew-communist-western conspirations and so on...

(sorry if you think im spamming the thread) I had to do some history coursework awhile ago and that involved finding as much as you can about Hitler and what i found out was quite interesting.... Hitlers mum, who he loved more than anything in the world, died when he was young and the doctor treating her was Jewish, maybe that was A cause for his hatred for Jews? You made it sound as if he had to hate a sort or person which is completely not true, so why would he just hate brown haired or anyone just for the pure hell of it? All he did was use his power to get revenge on a person he loved.
 
Of course christianity, judaism and islam dont believe that women have an equal footing with men. They are completely stamped by having been written by men from patriarchal societies. Whether its the treament of women or the acceptance by a divine power of the idea of slavery. These are all bronze age ideas of justice and clearly not the ideas of enlightened people.

I think womens rights issues are most pronounced in islam which has a broader legal system described within the Koran. Its enshrined that a womans word is worth less than a man in court. It takes two womens testimony to equal that of a man as the woman needs "someone to remind her" of what she saw (guess they are stupid). Then there is the fact that Allah allows men to beat their wives (conservative muslims say beat, more liberal ones say the correcting blow is symbolic).

Muslims will say that women arent "less" than men but simply different. They say the system of treatment is "different" not unequal. Christians tend to gloss over the old testament altogether. They know that their god says and does some crazy stuff in the OT so they prefer to stick to the friendlier passages from the NT and chalk the rest up to the "mysterious" nature of god. Its a given that the religous will justify anything to continue in their faith.

In my opinion, its clearly all bronze age mythology. Today people know that you shouldnt take or strike slaves. You shouldnt treat women as inferior or beat them. You shouldnt stone non virgins to death. We have a more robust moral standard than people from thousands of years ago.
 
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