Chevalier and Knight

[Ninja]

Is there a difference between a chevalier and a knight?

 

[Llew2]

One is French and the other is English.

 

[Ninja]

Ah thanks,
I played your mod and saw the two words.
Also in the game Age of Empires 2: Knight -> Chevalier -> Paladin, so I wasn't sure.

 

[Rongar]

Also in the game Age of Empires 2: Knight -> Chevalier -> Paladin

It sounds funny.
All this three words are very close to each other. 'Paladin' is latin.

 

[Corinthian Hoplite]

Also in the game Age of Empires 2: Knight -> Chevalier -> Paladin, so I wasn't sure.

Cavalier, actually.

 

[Ursca]

The Etmyology goes:

Roman - Equus (horse) -> Eques (Second highest Roman Social Class) \
                                                    Gaulish - Caballos (working horse)    -> Chevalier
                                                                                                              Chivalry
                                                                                                              Cavalry

German Languages - Knecht, cniht (Servant) -> Knight
(It's also worth noting that 'Samurai' means servant too)

 

[doorknobdeity]

Don't forget Spanish "caballero."

 

[quiet420]

In Norwegian, a distortion of Chevalier, 'kavalér', means the same as 'gentleman'. Chivalry has survived in etymology until today, I suppose.

It's mixed, descended from the french for knight or horseman, in American english, cavalier as an adjective means haughty, disdainful, or supercilious, as in an arrogant and cavalier attitude toward others.

Chivalry in practice was overrated anyway, it was just a fancy way for the elites to trample the women and peasants at will, provided that in doing so they were not violating each other, far removed from the romantic idealism of the modern ages.


(...and he hated irony.)

 

[Ninja]

Also in the game Age of Empires 2: Knight -> Chevalier -> Paladin, so I wasn't sure.

Cavalier, actually.

Ah sorry, I posted the german name: Chevalier
The english name: Cavalier


You can recruit in the stable:

1. Scout cavalry:

          2. Light Cavalry
------->

1. Knight

          2. Cavalier
------->

                    3. Paladin
-------------->

 

[brasidus]

OK, Chevlier IS French for knight, the German for knight is "Ritter" as in "rider" it's all about the equestrian class.

Naridill, rewad any Charny or Castiglione? Your premise is flawed in ascribing chivalric ideal to modern sensibilities.

 

[Cirdan]

In Norwegian, a distortion of Chevalier, 'kavalér', means the same as 'gentleman'. Chivalry has survived in etymology until today, I suppose.

It's mixed, descended from the french for knight or horseman, in American english, cavalier as an adjective means haughty, disdainful, or supercilious, as in an arrogant and cavalier attitude toward others.

It's a secondary meaning in French as well, and it's not restircted to American usage either--it's the reason the Royalists in the English Civil War were called Cavaliers.

 

[Balinux]

In my language:

Cavaleiro-knight

Cavalheiro-gentleman

 

[Ninja]

Only one letter more 

 

[Corinthian Hoplite]

In Portuguese we only have one word = cavaleiro, which means knight, horseman, rider and any other mounted person.

Not much from where to choose, eh?

 

[Balinux]

Appart from war, the social atributes of a knight,(be kind to ladies, defend justice, etc...) are basicaly the same of those of a gentleman.

In Portuguese we only have one word = cavaleiro, which means knight, horseman, rider and any other mounted person.

Lighter horsemen are called ginetes.
The connection between cavaleiro(caballero) and cavalheiro ... http://pt.wiktionary.org/wiki/cavalheiro

 

[Ragnar]

thus, in every language knights are named like their horses (can you follow me? >> le cheval-Chevalier,el caballo-Caballero,...)

did i understand that right??

 

[Cirdan]

No. Knight means servant, and many of the others arguably come from chevalier directly.

 

[Ragnar]

ok... now its clear^^ thx cirdan

 

[Ninja]

thus, in every language knights are named like their horses (can you follow me? >> le cheval-Chevalier,el caballo-Caballero,...)

That would be a bit crazy: Paladin, Palad? 

 

[Corinthian Hoplite]

Paladin does not mean knight, I believe it originates from palace guard, or something like that.