Cavalry in Deathmatch

[Joushio]

DM is getting worse and worse for footmen, Almost every time I go into a DM server it's just chock full of cavalry. Now dont get me wrong, I dont hate cavalry, but when more then half the server is on a horse the game is basically screwed for anyone who wants to fight on foot. It's either join the cavalry or leave. It's quite annoying when your trying to duel someone and some score whore goes for the cheap backstab kill with his lance. What's worse is when I was playing today the cavalry weren't fighting each other and were just lancing any poor SOB who decided to foot it. I'm not exactly sure how to fix this problem but I was thinking maybe having a cavalry cap on the servers would be a great start, that way the server wouldn't be overrun by them.

Thanks for reading, input is greatly appreciated.

 

[DeathsShadow]

They need an admin option for no horses imo, this happens alot. I find myself going cav just to kill other cav most of the time.

 

[Joushio]

Having NO horses at all is a little overboard, a few cavalry isn't that bad, its when the entire server is cavalry thats the problem.

 

[Lord Rust]

Just a quick note, it's harder for a lancer to kill a skilled footman than another lancer (skilled being the operative words, noobs die like nothing).

But I think we should have one server dedicated to no mounts and one cav only.

We also need a lot more beta testers btw, because the games are already thin on participants and we hardly ever get to test full games (i've yet to see anything above 40 in one, and i've played a lot).

 

[Tintin]

When a server is full of duelers cavalry tend to go infantry. If a servers full of cavalry why can't infantry go cav?

 

[Joushio]

Thats where the problem lies, its so much easier to lance from horseback then to spear from foot. So it's always going to draw the noobs to cavalry positions where they can get cheap kills. Personally I'm a spearman, and I wreck cavalry when I'm not being swarmed by them.

 

[Mabons]

Just a quick note, it's harder for a lancer to kill a skilled footman than another lancer (skilled being the operative words, noobs die like nothing).

Ah but it isn't hard when there are 5 lancers going for the one footman is it?

 

[Joushio]

When a server is full of duelers cavalry tend to go infantry. If a servers full of cavalry why can't infantry go cav?

Cavalry takes little skill, thats why those who choose footmen tend to stay footmen. It's a lot more fun when your fighting another skilled footman. Why would we ruin our fun just because everyone wants cheap kills from horseback?\


EDIT

Added poll.

 

[Tintin]

Thats where the problem lies, its so much easier to lance from horseback then to spear from foot. So it's always going to draw the noobs to cavalry positions where they can get cheap kills. Personally I'm a spearman, and I wreck cavalry when I'm not being swarmed by them.

That's not what i'm saying. When in a server full of duelers i don't see more than one or two cavalry. Cavalry tend to take up dueling. So in a server full of cavalry the infantry should see sense and go cavalry. If you don't, stop complaining. Adapt to the situation. Anywho, in a server full of cav join the cav. In a server full of inf join the inf

When a server is full of duelers cavalry tend to go infantry. If a servers full of cavalry why can't infantry go cav?

Cavalry takes little skill, thats why those who choose footmen tend to stay footmen. It's a lot more fun when your fighting another skilled footman. Why would we ruin our fun just because everyone wants cheap kills from horseback?

If everyone went cav it wouldn't be cheap kills. Cavalry does take skill. It's very hard to use a sword from horseback due to short range and lancing takes as much practice as swordfighting. I notice more inf kill cav than cav kill inf

 

[Joushio]

I notice more inf kill cav than cav kill inf

Where and when? Cav are always on top of the charts in DM.

EDIT

Your "go cav if its filled with cav" idea is not a solution at all. Same as when it's all duelers. Its the same problem. Saying just change to the other class is ridiculous, why are we forced to play a class we dont want too?

 

[Tintin]

Skilled cavalry are at the top. Most cavalry i see get dehorsed after 1 or 2 kills. They need to be good duelers in order to survive

Your "go cav if its filled with cav" idea is not a solution at all. Same as when it's all duelers. Its the same problem. Saying just change to the other class is ridiculous, why are we forced to play a class we dont want too?

If it annoys you go cav. If not learn to dehorse them. And you're saying there needs to be less cav. That's not letting people choose the class they want to. You have a choice. It's up to you whether you choose suicide or success

 

[Joushio]

If it annoys you go cav. If not learn to dehorse them


How is this an answer to my question? You just restated what you said. What I said was your idea is not a solution to the problem. Forcing people to pick a class they dont want to play is not a solution at all.

EDIT

BTW, I'm actually really good at dehorsing people. But when theres 6-7 horses coming at me at once it's impossible. You try to dehorse someone when your being stabbed in the back by another horse. -.-;

 

[Tintin]

If it annoys you go cav. If not learn to dehorse them


How is this an answer to my question? You just restated what you said. What I said was your idea is not a solution to the problem. Forcing people to pick a class they dont want to play is not a solution at all.

But your trying to force people to stop playing cav. That's not a solution which benefits both sides. And i wasn't forcing you to change. I said it was your choice

 

[Joushio]

But your trying to force people to stop playing cav. That's not a solution which benefits both sides. And i wasn't forcing you to change. I said it was your choice

No I'm not, Did you read my original post? I asked for a solution to the problem, and I said the only idea I have is to make a cavalry cap, which would let people be cavalry and at the same time not have the server overrun by them. Where did I say "Stop playing cav" or "Turn off cav"?

"Now dont get me wrong, I dont hate cavalry" - OP

"Having NO horses at all is a little overboard, a few cavalry isn't that bad, its when the entire server is cavalry thats the problem." - Another post I made.

 

[Tintin]

But your trying to force people to stop playing cav. That's not a solution which benefits both sides. And i wasn't forcing you to change. I said it was your choice

No I'm not, Did you read my original post? I asked for a solution to the problem, and I said the only idea I have is to make a cavalry cap, which would let people be cavalry and at the same time not have the server overrun by them.

The cavalry cap would force some people to choose different classes. You asked for a solution and I gave my idea. You're only thinking of the infantry. You don't see it from the cavs point of view. They enjoy lancing and fighting from horseback. You enjoy dueling. You insult them by saying they have no skill and they use cheap tricks. You're looking for a solution which benefits you. Not one which cav would benefit from. Duelers tend to take up most of DM. If there's a server full of cav let them have their fun. Join in. They normally get flamed and ganged up on on most occasions

Most of the time i'm inf and have many duels. I have problems with cav but kill them as much as they kill me. When people have problems with cav it's just because they have nowhere else to aim their anger when they don't do so well

 

[Joushio]

The cavalry cap would force some people to choose different classes. You asked for a solution and I gave my idea. You're only thinking of the infantry. You don't see it from the cavs point of view. They enjoy lancing and fighting from horseback. You enjoy dueling. You insult them by saying they have no skill and they use cheap tricks. You're looking for a solution which benefits you. Not one which cav would benefit from. Duelers tend to take up most of DM. If there's a server full of cav let them have their fun. Join in. They normally get flamed and ganged up on on most occasions

A cap would only force a few, and would ultimately satisfy both sides. The cavalry can be cavalry, lance each other and what not. While the duelers can duel. And I insulted those cavalry who only aim for footmen, which after today I feel is the majority. Your idea is still not solving the problem, your simply saying "go with the flow" how is that solving anything? I asked for a solution.

And by the way, It's a lot easier for a few cavalry to lance each other in a duelest DM then a dueleist to duel in a cavalry DM.

 

[Tintin]

Cavalry go with the flow when they go inf. Inf should go with the flow and go cav when the server is occupied by cavalry. If everyone is cavalry you're not gonna get any duels so all you can do is go cav

Why would you duel in a cavalry DM. That is quite stupid. Either move to a different server or go with this flow you speak of.

I edited my last post btw. You may want to check it

 

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Other Idea-

Instead of putting a cap on cavalry, maybe there should be a different spawn time for different classes.  Make spawn times longer or shorter.  Or perhaps they could change spawn times in relation to your K/D ratio?  If you have a high K/D ratio you take longer to spawn, lower K/D means quicker spawns?

 

[Joushio]

Cavalry go with the flow when they go inf. Inf should go with the flow and go cav when the server is occupied by cavalry. If everyone is cavalry you're not gonna get any duels so all you can do is go cav

You've been saying this every post now, This is not a solution! I'm looking for a solution to the problem. Forcing people to change classes whether it be  cav to inf or inf to cav is not solving anything and just spoils peoples fun.

EDIT

Why would you duel in a cavalry DM. That is quite stupid. Either move to a different server or go with this flow you speak of.


It's not a CAVALRY DM. It's a DM. Forcing people to go cavalry is not a solution. Nor is forcing cavalry to go infantry. That is why im looking for a solution.

 

[Gabeed]

The spawn points are partly to blame.  With cavalry spawning from virtually anywhere on the edge of the map, the footman has to consistently be watching his back because what was once a barren edge of the map for him 2 seconds ago could now have a teleported cavalryman there.  Since cavalry are by default a mobile force, they don't have to worry about this.  So an optional cap on cavalry would be fantastic.  The OP is right, it's incredibly hard to excel as a footman in deathmatch.