I haven't done any real research into how prices are determined, but this trigger calls a script to change the trade good production of cattle meat determined by the number of cattle in the village - I *think* the production of beef is used elsewhere to determine both beef and cattle prices, but I haven't checked.
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InstantBlade
Sergeant
Cattle?
Steal them, kill them and sell them before they rotten.
Makes an easy and fast cash for the beggining of the game
Steal them, kill them and sell them before they rotten.
Makes an easy and fast cash for the beggining of the game
Collie
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It's disappointing the cattle growth rate etc wasn't changed for 1.003. It was so obvious there was a problem in .960 when after a few months it became near impossible to find any cattle. I used Magelord's little code change to alter cattle's behaviour to follow my party, then went to villages that had a surplus in cows and bought a load, and bought all the cattle at a village that required the Train Peasants quest (that will instantly cause the village to lose all their cows when the attack occurs so you might as well buy them all then and give yourself the money to buy them via cash cheat). I then had a cattle train of about 80 cows following me around the map just for when a village required some cows. Only I ended up losing the cows when I got frustrated at not being able to find a lord for a quest and teleported around the map to find him. Eventually I lost the cows. Still someone must be enjoying a mountain load of beef.
The reason cattle disappear is theres a trigger that erases them every day if you're not close enough when it checks.
Elmetiacos
Knight
It looks to me as if the cattle economics are broken. The 3% chance of total loss needs to be changed because it makes decline a mathematical inevitability: a village can grow its herd at a small rate but can never be rid of the chance that an infinite number of cows will suddenly vanish.
applepiepod
Regular
1% sounds better.
Now, how do you make it so cattle follows the player? I really like that idea. Cattle herding games and mini games (I've seen and played a lot) are really lame. As long as you rope and lead the head honcho, all the cows follow.
I've seen a slaughtered cow dragged across a field by a tractor, and a few of the remaining cows were following it. Poor little buggers, they looked worried.
^ I was on a bus full of children, lol. Up in front, by the gate, some guys were hacking some other dead one's limbs off. Cow insides look roomy with all the guts gone. I wonder why some ancient armies didn't wear the ribs + leather of dead animals. That'd look epic.
Now, how do you make it so cattle follows the player? I really like that idea. Cattle herding games and mini games (I've seen and played a lot) are really lame. As long as you rope and lead the head honcho, all the cows follow.
I've seen a slaughtered cow dragged across a field by a tractor, and a few of the remaining cows were following it. Poor little buggers, they looked worried.
^ I was on a bus full of children, lol. Up in front, by the gate, some guys were hacking some other dead one's limbs off. Cow insides look roomy with all the guts gone. I wonder why some ancient armies didn't wear the ribs + leather of dead animals. That'd look epic.
I've just realized, am I interpreting the math correctly in that the prosperity of a village has no bearing on the chances of cattle growth/decline? If so, that's just stupid and needs to be changed. Bringing cattle to a village needs to boost prosperity, and high prosperity should make losses less likely.
Yeah, lots of things make cattle decline - the ones in the trigger are ones that happen for no actual reason, just *poof* no more cows. Even without cattle decline bandits and looting lords cuts down the cattle numbers enough.
I edited mine so that it only has a 10% chance of decline and 0% chance of losing the herd. It would probably be better if it cut the herd in half on the 3% instead of down to 0. This way it just grows slowly over time with a decline every so often, only dropping back to 0 with a really bad string of luck (bunch of 10% chances) or a raid.
Prosperity doesn't affect cattle at all, but I'm not sure if cattle affects prosperity in any way - it does add to cattle meat production, which may tie in to something somewhere that affects it.
You have to edit the menu to make cattle follow a player. Check this: link.
That's a post I made with all 5 of the different little tweaks I've posted, including this one and the cattle following one.
I edited mine so that it only has a 10% chance of decline and 0% chance of losing the herd. It would probably be better if it cut the herd in half on the 3% instead of down to 0. This way it just grows slowly over time with a decline every so often, only dropping back to 0 with a really bad string of luck (bunch of 10% chances) or a raid.
Prosperity doesn't affect cattle at all, but I'm not sure if cattle affects prosperity in any way - it does add to cattle meat production, which may tie in to something somewhere that affects it.
You have to edit the menu to make cattle follow a player. Check this: link.
That's a post I made with all 5 of the different little tweaks I've posted, including this one and the cattle following one.
NameAlreadyInUse
Regular
applepiepod said:
Best laugh of the night man +10 points to you xD
applepiepod
Regular
;D Thanks
In the middle ages?ZiP* said:Welcome to Capitalism
InstantBlade said:
Or steal, and loot, and get two sets of cattle.
That's probably a bit more than a town can pay you if they're worth a lot though, but in the beginning it should be easier to sell them off.Darmoth said:
It's a random number generated between 0 and 100. You can change the 0 or the 100 to make the range smaller. Kind of like rolling a really big die. I never really experimented to see how the random generator works in M&B, but it should be either a number between 0 and 100 (so 101 different possibilities) or it might be set to reduce the top number by 1 (other games RNG's do this) so it would be 0-99, or 100 different possibilities.
That number is compared to the other numbers. If it's less than 3 (so 0, 1, or 2) it eats all the cattle, less than 10 is growth (but it can't trigger if the one before was triggered, so it's actually 3,4,5,6,7,8,9). Then if it's less than 50 (10-49) it's a loss. Anything 50 or over would be outside those ranges and fall into the next category - small growth. All the numbers can be modified, but they need to be in order from lesser to greater - if you have the first one set at 80 and the second one set at 50, the second one would never trigger.
Darmoth
Sergeant
So if I were to change the red numbers to 3-9 then it would do nothing but grow more and more cattle... The 0 - 2 range, by 0 cows, you mean all cows have gone bye-bye... or does that simply represent no growth?
I'm just tired of the cross country epics to find a town with cattle, and I'd preffer that my fief wouldn't suddenly have all cattle gone. Sometimes it feels like "what the hell did you do with the herd I just got you?!" While I can still understand them being gone after they're occupied by bandits or have been raided... It just costs so damn much to replace their herd.
I'm just tired of the cross country epics to find a town with cattle, and I'd preffer that my fief wouldn't suddenly have all cattle gone. Sometimes it feels like "what the hell did you do with the herd I just got you?!" While I can still understand them being gone after they're occupied by bandits or have been raided... It just costs so damn much to replace their herd.
0-2 means all cows are exterminated.
3-9 would work, they'd just grow and grow and grow. Every village should quickly get up to 101 and stay there until raided or what have you, but then they would quickly grow back.
You could also leave it at 0-100 and edit the chances of things happening. Change the 3 to a 0 (no chance of complete kill) and the 10 to a 40 (40% chance of big growth) and you'd then have 40% big growth, 50% normal growth, and only 10% of losing 3-8. That should be a decent setup to grow cows. If that's not enough, raise the 10 to a 45 - then it's only a 5% chance of losing. Or just leave the 10 as a 10 and change the 50 to a 15, so it would be 10% big growth 85% normal growth and 5% loss. Lots of ways to change it.
That way instead of permanent growth, you actually get a few losses here or there. But it mostly grows.
3-9 would work, they'd just grow and grow and grow. Every village should quickly get up to 101 and stay there until raided or what have you, but then they would quickly grow back.
You could also leave it at 0-100 and edit the chances of things happening. Change the 3 to a 0 (no chance of complete kill) and the 10 to a 40 (40% chance of big growth) and you'd then have 40% big growth, 50% normal growth, and only 10% of losing 3-8. That should be a decent setup to grow cows. If that's not enough, raise the 10 to a 45 - then it's only a 5% chance of losing. Or just leave the 10 as a 10 and change the 50 to a 15, so it would be 10% big growth 85% normal growth and 5% loss. Lots of ways to change it.
That way instead of permanent growth, you actually get a few losses here or there. But it mostly grows.
Darmoth
Sergeant
TheMageLord said:
Okay... maybe I'm bit daft here... I can see where to change the 3 to 0, the green. What 10? I see a lone 10 in that set of numbers but it's not highlighted in any color.
Also the what then is the difference between the blue and yellow? Why have a straight number to add, when there is also a percentage increase?
Sorry, I really am trying.
Oh, whoops, I'm sorry. I was thinking I highlighted the 10 and 50. I just did them now in green.
Thats the right 10 and 50, though - only ones there.
The yellow numbers are to make the herd grow by a percentage, I guess because Armagan wanted it to grow based on size and not just a set amount. The set amount is there because if it only grew based on percentage, it would never go above 0 after dropping to 0.
Thats the right 10 and 50, though - only ones there.
The yellow numbers are to make the herd grow by a percentage, I guess because Armagan wanted it to grow based on size and not just a set amount. The set amount is there because if it only grew based on percentage, it would never go above 0 after dropping to 0.
