Can you settle for peace? Do Marshalls get awarded fiefs more easily?

[tarnus]

As Marshall i've taken most of the Vaegir Kingdom, but the Kergits have declared War...and I don't think i have enough troops to fend off two fronts, more accurately i'm running out of money and need to do some trade-running to fill up the coffers, is there a way to sue for peace?

Also has anybody gotten this interaction with other lords, when i ask them to support my bid for a fief (even the one with +50 relation), they say, i've been too controversial in the past...last time I checked, i was Lord Lindsey Lohan lol.

Thanks

 

[dhowlett]

the code which desides if you get a fief has only really 2 factors that affect it.

1. if you started the seige you have a 2x bonus

2. a random number with a very big range so you can either get a huge number or a tiny number.

The random number affects it more then the 2x does but obviously it still helps.

Other tiny factors are how much the king likes you, with 100 rep with the king you get +500 onto the score which is going to be somewhere between 25000-50000 anyway once the random number is fed through the formulee , this is the huge spread the random number causes. As you can see thus 500 points doesn't really do jack ****. And if you hadn't guessed the lord with the highest score gets the feif.

You become the marshal if the king likes you, thus youll have a higher rep and get a very fractionly better chance. Failing taht your more likely to get them just because the marshal almost always starts the seiges.

But a huge counter to this is that if your controversy is too high the king refuses to give you feifs, in the games current state your controversy will hit 99 within a week of being marshal and above 50 in a few days. Thus being a marshal makes it ALOT harder to get feifs in the long run. Controversy also goes down very slowly.

Only the king can go for peace but guild masters do sometimes give you quests to end wars and they pay well for them too.

 

[tarnus]

Thanks for writing such a thorough answer, that is indeed a HUGE range...so essentially being a marshall (king likes me) and being controversial (apparently hitting on married Ladies is a big no no), kind of cancel each other out...I'd love to get my hands on a town, but it seems so random, i keep passing up towns, so that my eventual siege of a vaegir town will land me the fief, but no guarantees I can tell now.

Thank you!

 

[dhowlett]

i haveno idea if its coinsidence but when i made best buddies with some of the more powerful members in the swadian kingdom and got them to support me i seemed to get the feifs. I even just went up to the king and told him to suport me and he did so i got it. But possibly considence as i have no idea how it affects the coding which sems all to do with a random number to me.

 

[godot]

the code which desides if you get a fief has only really 2 factors that affect it.

1. if you started the seige you have a 2x bonus

2. a random number with a very big range so you can either get a huge number or a tiny number.

The random number affects it more then the 2x does but obviously it still helps.

Other tiny factors are how much the king likes you, with 100 rep with the king you get +500 onto the score which is going to be somewhere between 25000-50000 anyway once the random number is fed through the formulee , this is the huge spread the random number causes. As you can see thus 500 points doesn't really do jack ****. And if you hadn't guessed the lord with the highest score gets the feif.

You become the marshal if the king likes you, thus youll have a higher rep and get a very fractionly better chance. Failing taht your more likely to get them just because the marshal almost always starts the seiges.

But a huge counter to this is that if your controversy is too high the king refuses to give you feifs, in the games current state your controversy will hit 99 within a week of being marshal and above 50 in a few days. Thus being a marshal makes it ALOT harder to get feifs in the long run. Controversy also goes down very slowly.

Only the king can go for peace but guild masters do sometimes give you quests to end wars and they pay well for them too.

Are you sure that the score range typically has a high end that's only twice as big as the low end (i.e. 25k - 50k)?  If that's the case then the siege initiator would almost never lose.  If every candidate gets a random number between, say, 12,000 and 24,000, however the initiator's number is doubled then the worst score he'd get is 24,000.

Also, the game used to consider how many fiefs a candidate already owned and counted it against him so that fiefless candidates would stand a better chance of winning some land.  Is this no longer true?

Finally, what's the use of every vassal having an opinion on who should win a conquered fief?  Even the king says he consulted with the peers of the realm over the decision.  Don't all those opinions matter in Warband?


At least this would explain why I've been awarded every estate that I've ever set out to attack, even though I haven't even asked for half of them.  By the way, whenever I don't ask to be awarded a castle/town that I've conquered on my own I get spammed with the following error messages around the time that the King is deciding:

 

[dhowlett]

its been too long since i looked at it all. Now i think about it i do remeber the range having a lower bound and i cant remeber if i included the 2x in it but the imporatnt part of it is that the random number is causing a huge range that you cant win reliably on. Also i forgot to menchen that owning another castle etc greatley reduces your chance, it halves it i beleive. I was in a rush typing it all out as my dinner was being dished up haha .

The code can be modded so that the kings friendship has a far greater sway in it quite easily as well. I think its important that it has a greater effect. Also its suggested that you up it so leading the attack gives you a 2.5x multiplyer instead as it is still very possible to not get the fief after attacking it and personaly i have oftern found i didn't get it. You may of got lucky.

As for npc's desicions as i said before, i dont undersatnd how they are implimented into the code. From the looks of it the king is trying to draw additional views from nobles no longer in your faction perhaps?

 

[Jopz]

What ive notice,
more friends among lords, more support you get.
And you once ask support and they say " yes, i will support you"  - it seems that you dont need to ask that again, they will allways support you, but your controversy has to be low and dont loose their trust.
There is several fiefless lords in our faction but still i get most of the fiefs without asking (i dont take them all though)
I dont know about those multipliers or numbers, but friendship and controversy seems to be the thing.


Btw, i had that same script error but it went away after i made clean install with 1.105

 

[baamonster]

Thanks for writing such a thorough answer, that is indeed a HUGE range...so essentially being a marshall (king likes me) and being controversial (apparently hitting on married Ladies is a big no no), kind of cancel each other out...I'd love to get my hands on a town, but it seems so random, i keep passing up towns, so that my eventual siege of a vaegir town will land me the fief, but no guarantees I can tell now.

Thank you!

well every time i join a faction the very first town/castle i take over is given to me.

 

[dhowlett]

I also forgot to menchen that renown is factored in as well. And i also relisd how the lord poltics system is factored in. If a lord supports someone else and wins with the highest score then the person they supported gets the castle. Duh. The people people supporting a person the better the chance they have of winning the castle.

Eurgh i really wasn't awake.

Thanks for writing such a thorough answer, that is indeed a HUGE range...so essentially being a marshall (king likes me) and being controversial (apparently hitting on married Ladies is a big no no), kind of cancel each other out...I'd love to get my hands on a town, but it seems so random, i keep passing up towns, so that my eventual siege of a vaegir town will land me the fief, but no guarantees I can tell now.

Thank you!

well every time i join a faction the very first town/castle i take over is given to me.

Thats becuase you ahve a 2x multiplyer on your score and almost every other lord is suffering at lesat a 0.5x multiplyer. some worse if they own even more land.