Can we stop *****ing about Khergits?
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Marauder8
Veteran
You can say "You guys just need to use team work" all you want. Sure, in theory it sounds like a good idea, and hell, it is a good idea. But pratically, in game you will just end up shouting "Guys, form a schiltron, hide in that house, c'mon guys use formations" and the rest of the players will still rambo and die. It would work on a clan match, but in public servers most people will just ignore what you say, as they'd rather complain and die.
chokke
Recruit
Why should a non-team-working faction just roll over the other side? And then say "it's easy to beat us, you just need to work together'. Such a silly statement. As horsearcher, you can kill of enemy horses easy, then just have enough archer and shoot at the bioball till the shields are breaking.
Khergit is the roaches of SC2 beta.
Khergit is the roaches of SC2 beta.
It has been known since early beta one needs a massive amount of ranged on your team. Once you have that khergits are toast. You cant have everyone spawn as infantry as cav. Not hard to fight against, unless you are among those infantry who believe battles are duel server.
IMHO, Khergits are damn boring... I avoid them in SP, I avoid them in MP. But thatțs just me. I just hate this faction.
jros83
Banned
the minute i see someone type "stop *****ing and get some skill" they immediately lose credibility with me. "Stop ***** get some skill" and all of its derivatives almost always translates as "yeah I know I'm being a douche and totally exploiting a weak game mechanic but stfu because I'm 12." Usually. Then again, I've been playing many types of games online for yeeeeears now so I'm a little cybical... But then I've seen enough to know this pattern generally holds true.
The exceeding arrow
Knight at Arms
hey guys! What are you talking about? o.. khergits and MP again? bye!
Myden Blat
Squire
Boring to fight against? Maybe. The solution? Fight with them. Whenever someone says Khergit, they assume they are on horses.
I usually go for lancer, then instead of buying a horse, I get good gear and infantry style. It even works because people usually assume Khergits are on horses. Statistically they suck as infantries, but statistics alone can't make anybody win.
I'm having a great time with them, whether I win or not.
I usually go for lancer, then instead of buying a horse, I get good gear and infantry style. It even works because people usually assume Khergits are on horses. Statistically they suck as infantries, but statistics alone can't make anybody win.
I'm having a great time with them, whether I win or not.
Shadow0
Sergeant
Last time I used Khergit Horse Archer everyone ran into the city and hid because they were sick and tired of getting circled (non-shielded infantry) or run over (archers with their bow out), good times.
I usually never die before I use all 90+ arrows because the cavalry can't catch me alone (edit: Also chasing a horse in a large blob won't work either! spread out), I'm not stupid enough to run into the infantry and the archers there needed to learn that a smart guy on a horse won't keep going the same way at the same speed.
As for stopping horse archers my advice is..
Infantry = shields, personally I don't even BOTHER if you have a shield, I'll just go look for someone else to harass or shoot you in the back when your busy fighting. As long as you're on foot w/o ranged though you won't be catching me any time soon, throwing weapon maybe? I've gotten an axe in a horsemans face before so it's definitely possible.
Cavalry, attack in at least a group of 2, take a side and try to stop them from turning off that way, if you have a lance you can just couch their horse if they try to turn and then they're royally screwed. If you have a bow then the solution should be fairly obvious.
As for archers, if your aim is good enough it should be a quick finish, if not then try to take out their horse but do keep in mind a decent horse archer will be WATCHING YOU (and likely shooting you) if they know you're there so try to take out the horse before they spot you, if they start moving erratically then they likely know you're aiming at them.
Lastly, taking a horse archer by surprise is always an option, especially for archers. If you find a nice spot it'll turn the tables and you'll become the harasser that THEY want gone.
^ All of the above, fairly obvious stuff that also works for me, I usually go with archer though so catching a Khergit isn't a problem.
I usually never die before I use all 90+ arrows because the cavalry can't catch me alone (edit: Also chasing a horse in a large blob won't work either! spread out), I'm not stupid enough to run into the infantry and the archers there needed to learn that a smart guy on a horse won't keep going the same way at the same speed.
As for stopping horse archers my advice is..
Infantry = shields, personally I don't even BOTHER if you have a shield, I'll just go look for someone else to harass or shoot you in the back when your busy fighting. As long as you're on foot w/o ranged though you won't be catching me any time soon, throwing weapon maybe? I've gotten an axe in a horsemans face before so it's definitely possible.
Cavalry, attack in at least a group of 2, take a side and try to stop them from turning off that way, if you have a lance you can just couch their horse if they try to turn and then they're royally screwed. If you have a bow then the solution should be fairly obvious.
As for archers, if your aim is good enough it should be a quick finish, if not then try to take out their horse but do keep in mind a decent horse archer will be WATCHING YOU (and likely shooting you) if they know you're there so try to take out the horse before they spot you, if they start moving erratically then they likely know you're aiming at them.
Lastly, taking a horse archer by surprise is always an option, especially for archers. If you find a nice spot it'll turn the tables and you'll become the harasser that THEY want gone.
^ All of the above, fairly obvious stuff that also works for me, I usually go with archer though so catching a Khergit isn't a problem.
Just NO 
Edit 1)
The most wonderful thing I ever saw was a kehrg battle on "field by the river" we stayed in village and defended it as rhodoks.
At the end of the round a 1vs.1 get decided at the "Master of the field" flag! great you see?
the kehrgs didnt win BY the flag directly. Nooo the kehrg forced the last rodohk to open field BY FLAG and killed him there.
The kehrg players name was "LOLOLOLOLOL".
No need to describe how i loved him the current setup and the whole game.
AND not to forget to say that YES IT NEEDS SKILL TO MANAGE MOUNTED-ARCHERY BUT THAT DOESNT MATTER IN TERMS OF REAL GAME "BALANCE" BECAUSE ONCE A PLAYER MANAGED IT
ALL THE OTHERS CANT DO ANYTHING AGAINST IT.
THE *****ING ABOUT TEAMPLAY IS RIDICIOULUS BECAUSE EVEN THE CAV-ARCHER KERGHS DONT PLAY AS TEAM REALLY BUT TAKE THE OPPORTUNITIES THEY GET FROM EACH OTHER WHATS NOT PLANNED.
Edit 1)
The most wonderful thing I ever saw was a kehrg battle on "field by the river" we stayed in village and defended it as rhodoks.
At the end of the round a 1vs.1 get decided at the "Master of the field" flag! great you see?
the kehrgs didnt win BY the flag directly. Nooo the kehrg forced the last rodohk to open field BY FLAG and killed him there.
The kehrg players name was "LOLOLOLOLOL".
No need to describe how i loved him the current setup and the whole game.
AND not to forget to say that YES IT NEEDS SKILL TO MANAGE MOUNTED-ARCHERY BUT THAT DOESNT MATTER IN TERMS OF REAL GAME "BALANCE" BECAUSE ONCE A PLAYER MANAGED IT
ALL THE OTHERS CANT DO ANYTHING AGAINST IT.
THE *****ING ABOUT TEAMPLAY IS RIDICIOULUS BECAUSE EVEN THE CAV-ARCHER KERGHS DONT PLAY AS TEAM REALLY BUT TAKE THE OPPORTUNITIES THEY GET FROM EACH OTHER WHATS NOT PLANNED.
crazyboy11 said:
Me and five strangers beat Khergits on Field by the River as Nords. How? We worked together. Nothing fancy, just sticking together and infantry protecting archers etc.'
Teamwork in public games is not non-existence, its just not common.
Well, I wouldn't use that exact wording, but you've just about summed up my general opinion on the subject.MaHuD said:
I can accept regular archers, because they've got no horse to run off on as soon as you come close to them, but horse archers are simply boring to play against. I know that there are tactics to use against them, but none of them are any fun... and what's the point of playing if it's not fun? I haven't really seen anyone *****ing about the Khergits for a while, though. Voting them off isn't really what I would call *****ing, and besides, if the poll gets accepted what's the problem?
KillerMongoose
Sergeant Knight
Marin Peace Bringer said:
Exactly, it's not that people won't do it it's that they are to lazy to do it. All it takes is someone to just grow some and say "hey guys protect the archers" or "get in this building and let them run out of arrows or be unhorsed" its not rocket science really.
Mr.X
But what if someone on the khergit team grows up and says "Hey guys, stop shooting and wait for master of the field" :S
