Can we get an ending?

[ripple]

I know this game is not getting new content without a pay expansion, and it's obvious all the updates are primarily focused on balancing multiplayer. But for us singler player campaign lovers, can we eventually get some campaign victory conditions and a proper ending? Most 'open ended' games like Total War series have such things just for the sake of gaming fulfillment. I am not asking for a 10 minute video or slideshow documenting your character's accomplishments or repercussion of choices and actions (although it would be nice to have that...). I am sure I am not the first person to ask for this...I guess it's more likely this would be implemented in a future sequel than a future update to this game.

 

[Dalkar]

Camp and then click Retire from adventuring. When you get the best result (I think the score is over 5000) then you've basically won the game.
Alternative you could play a mod like Prophesy of Pendor which has a goal (restore the Kingdom of Pendor) by filling certain conditions.

 

[Lord Brutus]

I've always thought, if you have eliminated all the other factions, a coronation of the new Emperor would be appropriate, but only in that circumstance.

 

[ripple]

I've always thought, if you have eliminated all the other factions, a coronation of the new Emperor would be appropriate, but only in that circumstance.

That would be nice, wouldn't it? Considering you've just unified Calradia after however many centuries of division and strife. Unfortunately, you are less likely to spend your last days building monuments to yourself and stroking your game avatar ego and more likely to be spending it chasing invisible faction patrols scattered across the map.

 

[Nikomakkos]

I've always thought, if you have eliminated all the other factions, a coronation of the new Emperor would be appropriate, but only in that circumstance.

I agree, that would be most desirable for an ending.

 

[DarkShogun417]

ya...i think after uniting the country under one banner, you should just retire and count that as an end

 

[ripple]

ya...i think after uniting the country under one banner, you should just retire and count that as an end

Yeah, that's exactly what everyone who historically unified warring states or carved a new nation did in the aftermath, they simply retired and became reclusive hermits rather than celebrated and assumed new posts in a new era they helped forge.

Oh wait, that's probably not true. Please don't be a fool.

With an open ended game like this, you should (at minimum) be able to end the game and get some congratulatory cut-scene after conquering maybe 90% of the map, when it's pretty obvious you have won (rather than, say, end up hunting remnant enemy faction patrols in weird places on the map...because apparently, that's what Kings do?). Not asking for an epilogue here. I just don't think I've ever played a PC game where there was no proper ending...(Sid Mier's Pirates, maybe? Can't recall). It just seems a bit....unfinished for a commercial game. And Steam achievements are not substitutes--that's just outsourcing game development.

 

[XSevSpreeX]

ya...i think after uniting the country under one banner, you should just retire and count that as an end

Yeah, that's exactly what everyone who historically unified warring states or carved a new nation did in the aftermath, they simply retired and became reclusive hermits rather than celebrated and assumed new posts in a new era they helped forge.

Oh wait, that's probably not true. Please don't be a fool.

Wow that was uncalled for. All he's suggesting is that you retire that character, start a new one, do some things different and all that. Or just find a new game. Or if you don't want to start your character all over again and like how it's attributes and skills are you can just export it, start a new character, then import it and continue making progress on him.

 

[ripple]

Wow that was uncalled for. All he's suggesting is that you retire that character, start a new one, do some things different and all that. Or just find a new game. Or if you don't want to start your character all over again and like how it's attributes and skills are you can just export it, start a new character, then import it and continue making progress on him.

Really? It was 'uncalled for'? He's the second poster who told me that I can retire my character and restart the game, as if I had no idea you could do that, and as if that addressed my request (it does not, since this in no way conflicts or contradicts with a proper ending), and implying my request for a proper slideshow/cut-scene ending is unreasonable. There's been less than 5 replies to this topic so it's not unreasonable to suggest that one should read through the replies before hitting the reply button to post a repetitive comment. 'Just stop playing, that's your ending, duh' (yes, this should be the 'end' for every game, so no game needs an ending from now on)--those are the implied insults that are 'uncalled for' (you are doing it too, intentional or not). Now if you think my reply to that is 'uncalled for', please explain -how-, in what way, and what a more measured response would look like.

 

[XSevSpreeX]

Wow that was uncalled for. All he's suggesting is that you retire that character, start a new one, do some things different and all that. Or just find a new game. Or if you don't want to start your character all over again and like how it's attributes and skills are you can just export it, start a new character, then import it and continue making progress on him.

Really? It was 'uncalled for'? He's the second poster who told me that I can retire my character and restart the game, as if I had no idea you could do that, and as if that addressed my request (it does not, since this in no way conflicts or contradicts with a proper ending), and implying my request for a proper slideshow/cut-scene ending is unreasonable. There's been less than 5 replies to this topic so it's not unreasonable to suggest that one should read through the replies before hitting the reply button to post a repetitive comment. 'Just stop playing, that's your ending, duh' (yes, this should be the 'end' for every game, so no game needs an ending from now on)--those are the implied insults that are 'uncalled for' (you are doing it too, intentional or not). Now if you think my reply to that is 'uncalled for', please explain -how-, in what way, and what a more measured response would look like.

The rude sarcasm and calling him "a fool" was uncalled for. Also, he wasn't telling you how to restart your character as if you had no idea you could do that, he was just suggesting that you do. If you create a thread with a question, you're going to get the same answer more than once. It's almost guaranteed.  A good response would look something like, "Ya maybe I'll do that. I just did a male character, maybe I'll try to do a female this time, or instead of being an infantry character I'll make a horse archer. It's just kind of disappointing how that's the only option. On the flip side, I found this thread http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=171138.0 that says it's possible to make a cutscene. Maybe I'll do some experimenting of my own. "

 

[ripple]

Clearly you have a different reading of his reply than I did. But it is also clear you don't understand what I am asking.

A cut-scene or slideshow ending is not a -replacement- for restarting the game. Restarting the game is something you can do at any time. There is no rule that says you can only do that once the game is 'over.' In fact, most players in this game probably restart their games long before they even get close to defeating all the factions. So restarting the game is no a substitute for an end-scene. It's not even relevant to my question ("Can we get an ending, developers?").

The only reason to suggest it, is if you interpret my post as either saying that I don't know how to 'end' the game ('retire, duh') and that I am soliciting an answer to that ('restart and try a different gender, different play style, duh'--which I am clearly not).  An end scene caps off the game after you invest so many weeks or months of time into it. It's a fairly widespread feature for all video games that this one, strangely, seems to lack. So if it is indeed 'possible' to do via third party tools and source file editing, then it is mostly certainly possible for the developers to do it (rather than outsourcing this kind of work to the players). If your position is 'no, I don't want an end-scene, video, slideshow, or anything of that kind', then at least that addresses and is relevant to my question (but I'd like to read valid -reasons-).

I do realize (too late) that this should have been in the King's Court and not the Warlord's Den.

 

[XSevSpreeX]

Clearly you have a different reading of his reply than I did. But it is also clear you don't understand what I am asking.

I do appear to have a different reading to his reply than you did. I read it as a suggestion, you seem to read it as an insult to you and as an irrelevant post. Also, I know what you're asking, don't make an assumption that I don't (as you appear to have seen darkshogun's reply as, an assumption that you don't realize you can retire your character).

 

[ripple]

I do appear to have a different reading to his reply than you did. I read it as a suggestion, you seem to read it as an insult to you and as an irrelevant post. Also, I know what you're asking, don't make an assumption that I don't (as you appear to have seen darkshogun's reply as, an assumption that you don't realize you can retire your character).

No, you don't understand. Why would you offer a suggestion that I 'restart the game' and play a different 'gender' character, unless you assumed I was stupid and did not know I could do that? What is the relevance of that to the original question? It's ok for your to feel insulted that I suggest you may not have understood my question, but it's not ok for me to feel insulted that 2 posters as well as yourself may have suggested that I don't understand a simple, well documented, game mechanic?

 

[Caba`drin]

You feeling insulted after someone tries to be helpful versus directly calling another user a fool (for trying to be helpful) are clearly two different things.

Enough. Move on with the thread.

 

[ripple]

Alright, I am sorry I escalated this. I had forgotten all about the King's Court and mistakenly posted this here. If you can move the thread and lock it, I'd appreciate it.

 

[XSevSpreeX]

I do appear to have a different reading to his reply than you did. I read it as a suggestion, you seem to read it as an insult to you and as an irrelevant post. Also, I know what you're asking, don't make an assumption that I don't (as you appear to have seen darkshogun's reply as, an assumption that you don't realize you can retire your character).

No, you don't understand. Why would you offer a suggestion that I 'restart the game' and play a different 'gender' character, unless you assumed I was stupid and did not know I could do that? What is the relevance of that to the original question? It's ok for your to feel insulted that I suggest you may not have understood my question, but it's not ok for me to feel insulted that 2 posters as well as yourself may have suggested that I don't understand a simple, well documented, game mechanic?

I don't feel insulted that you suggest that I don't understand the question, in fact I understand why you believe that because I never stated anything about a cutscene, which I've known from the beginning that or any form of an ending (maybe some text summarizing the result of your conquering?) is what you want, but if you believe that I haven't understood then clearly you understand my mind better than I do without even knowing me. Hypothetically, would you need to ask a 13 year old why 2+2=4 to make sure they know? No, most people would assume they already know that. Also, I never told you to restart your game, I only pointed out that darkshogun was suggesting that's what you do.

Now that I've admitted that I have not mentioned anything about a cutscene beforehand, I'm going to say that I don't really care either way if there's a cutscene at the end. Because you asked for reasons, mine are that I don't need (I'm not suggesting you do) a cutscene telling me about my accomplishments unless there would be a possibility for several possible cutscenes at the end, like in Fallout 3 and New Vegas for example, in which case I may possibly attempt to see each cutscene out of curiosity. On the flip side, it could be interesting seeing the result of your character's actions unless it's just the same thing over and over again with very little to no variation, in which case I might be interested in seeing it once and that's it.

Edit: Caba posted before I could, so this is my final word on the subject of your response.

 

[ripple]

I am sorry I responded to you the way I did. In retrospect I don't think you deserved it. It was Darkshogun's suggestion that set me over the edge (and possibly my flu medication...). If he had said he didn't really care for a cut-scene, rather than "restart", I would probably felt less like my post was misunderstood.

I do agree there isn't much to go on for a end slideshow in this game. It's not a full RPG like Fallout 3 or New Vegas. At most, we'd get a generic coronation video like in Total War games (and possibly some texts tell you what happened to your companions), but that's pretty much what I was asking for. I suspect it comes down to whether it would be worth it to implement this given the amount of resources and time to do a decent cut-scene. No doubt player requests would never end. Even if the developers do make a end scene for this game. people will still complain it's not good enough and ask for more improvements. On top of this, given the emphasis on the multiplayer component of this game where many players probably never even finished a single player campaign, what percentage of players would ever see the cutscene (other than as a YouTube video)?

On the other hand, I do recall a particularly version of Sid Mier's Civilization that tracked your game progress and events, then spit those things back at you when the game ended. I'd like to see something like that for Warband. But you'd need an elaborate script to do all that tracking.

 

[Lord Brutus]

OK, we're all kissed and made up and, if you have kicked every other faction to the curb, I still would love a cut scene showing the coronation of the new Emperor.

 

[Ogrecorps]

OK, we're all kissed and made up and, if you have kicked every other faction to the curb, I still would love a cut scene showing the coronation of the new Emperor.

*support*

 

[killer-blead]

I definitly agree with Brutus on this.