I'v been trying to use the battle deployment to create specific squads of troops but because of the troop type it is impossible for me to create it. I feel like this system could be a lot more simple, why not allow the player to click on specific soldiers to add to any formation would make it a lot less of a hassle if anybody is having trouble.
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Can battle deployment be updated?
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hah, try to sort regular units from noble one... impossible
they should come back to old way of sorting troops via party screen
they should come back to old way of sorting troops via party screen
This is probably the single most requested feature of all, but the devs seem to view it as an impossible problem. Apparently, letting the player assign troops to specific formations would break the whole system or something.
It's funny because the original player request was just to be able to position our formations before battle and Taleworlds comes back a year later with this complex system that does that but also removes the ability to assign troops to formations. And then they tell us it's impossible to assign troops without breaking the system. But they're the ones who designed it that way!
It's like going to a restaurant and ordering a hamburger and they bring you a hot dog, and when you complain that you wanted a hamburger they say "we can't give you a hamburger because it doesn't fit on the hot dog bun". It's ridiculous.
It's funny because the original player request was just to be able to position our formations before battle and Taleworlds comes back a year later with this complex system that does that but also removes the ability to assign troops to formations. And then they tell us it's impossible to assign troops without breaking the system. But they're the ones who designed it that way!
It's like going to a restaurant and ordering a hamburger and they bring you a hot dog, and when you complain that you wanted a hamburger they say "we can't give you a hamburger because it doesn't fit on the hot dog bun". It's ridiculous.
All we wanted was the battle deployment (which was part of their plans originally, ie that 'perk' from way back) with the earlier/WB party sorting tabs but they made it unnecessarily obtuse with how it's currently sorted (honestly don't think that 'priority heavy armor/throwing/etc part of it even works).
Not like the AI use it anyways besides the basic 1 infantry, 1 archer, 1 HA, 2 flanking cavalry setup.
The only area I see this even being somewhat remotely relevant is with siege defense deployments.
I mean, they gave us this all-knowing encyclopedia, and with how they love creating features of menu-clicking, might as well just make it so players can pre-assign troops from there so it's auto-sorted to the party number we want them to be when we get them. Ie. all throwing infantry preset to #5, then customize from there for only T6 units in a separate, etc...
Not like the AI use it anyways besides the basic 1 infantry, 1 archer, 1 HA, 2 flanking cavalry setup.
The only area I see this even being somewhat remotely relevant is with siege defense deployments.
I mean, they gave us this all-knowing encyclopedia, and with how they love creating features of menu-clicking, might as well just make it so players can pre-assign troops from there so it's auto-sorted to the party number we want them to be when we get them. Ie. all throwing infantry preset to #5, then customize from there for only T6 units in a separate, etc...
@five bucks You're always on the lookout for missing features so I'm guessing if anyone would know a bit about this it'd be you.
Do you happen to know if the Devs talked about this feature on the forums?
Do you happen to know if the Devs talked about this feature on the forums?
five bucks
Knight at Arms
@MRay would be the best person to ask as the UI guy of Taleworlds, I haven't seen any other TW staff comment on the troop sorting system in the past, except Dejan/Callum said this:
"as well as a variety of quality of life changes such as party member sorting."
But obviously that's pretty broad. I haven't seen any specific plans outlaid for how they're going to improve formation sorting. But then again I definitely haven't seen everything and my memory is pretty spotty
It would be really nice to know what improvements they plan to make.
My most hated feature of BL (even more so than the stupid design of castle/town walls and defense artillery spots which drive me crazy regularly).
BTW once there was a mod to reintroduce the partyscreen deployment, seemingly recently updated: https://www.nexusmods.com/mountandblade2bannerlord/mods/4398
I did not try yet in 1.0.1 but I hope it works. Slowly but constantly I remove the annoying parts of the game if possible. Next mod to wait for is Configurable Battle Scenes update, to avoid fighting in the dark.
BTW once there was a mod to reintroduce the partyscreen deployment, seemingly recently updated: https://www.nexusmods.com/mountandblade2bannerlord/mods/4398
I did not try yet in 1.0.1 but I hope it works. Slowly but constantly I remove the annoying parts of the game if possible. Next mod to wait for is Configurable Battle Scenes update, to avoid fighting in the dark.
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That is related to party screen troop sorting. With that feature players will be able to sort their troops in the party screen by Type, Name, Count and Tier.
I'll quote my other post that relates to OP's topic:
I've discussed this change in many posts in this forum, this is one of those I'll leave it here:https://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?threads/why-was-old-troop-assignment-system-removed.448574
Problem is, you created a problem with the sliders which wasn't necessary and argue that you cannot solve the problem because of the problem you created. BTW troops now often also are a mishmash, thanks to the sliders and the minimal influence they offer.
And the tactical depths of the game generally is so shallow and numbers do count so much that being able to adjust your groups ingeniously before each battle (for the unknown situation?) with the sliders is a feature useful in 1% perhaps. In 99 % it is not necessary and just annoying. Give me back the partyscreen deployment, please.
And the tactical depths of the game generally is so shallow and numbers do count so much that being able to adjust your groups ingeniously before each battle (for the unknown situation?) with the sliders is a feature useful in 1% perhaps. In 99 % it is not necessary and just annoying. Give me back the partyscreen deployment, please.
TBH, I call BS on those excuses. The OoB feature was implemented well after the rest of the EA release, these were problems that should have been asked at the development or even with some input from players during the EA and feedback?
We get the OoB feature, and half of it is not what we were expecting and almost immediately made known the first day it came out. Why are these problems/roadblocks being relayed after the fact and now, because of how it is set, seemingly impossible to fix/improve? TW being so tightfisted with their communication and adverse to player input got them stuck in this situation, and again, players get this half-assed feature, among a host of many others.
Lack of foresight and seemingly another rushed feature added to check a box, lacking depth, and because of whatever reason it was developed, 'impossible' or 'too difficult' to fix or correct.
The 'transfer' troops in the battle already mish/mashes that HA>infantry grouping and not being able to re-extract them from that grouping after (or the bug with companions being mixed in wrong category), so why was that part still allowed if it wasn't possible in the pre-battle?
You already have the 'option' to prioritize heavy armor/throwables/polearms/etc...subset within a troop grouping (which I don't think actually works in-game), so there is clearly a route that could be implemented to utilize that 'feature' to re-organize/extract' troop groupings.
We get the OoB feature, and half of it is not what we were expecting and almost immediately made known the first day it came out. Why are these problems/roadblocks being relayed after the fact and now, because of how it is set, seemingly impossible to fix/improve? TW being so tightfisted with their communication and adverse to player input got them stuck in this situation, and again, players get this half-assed feature, among a host of many others.
Lack of foresight and seemingly another rushed feature added to check a box, lacking depth, and because of whatever reason it was developed, 'impossible' or 'too difficult' to fix or correct.
The 'transfer' troops in the battle already mish/mashes that HA>infantry grouping and not being able to re-extract them from that grouping after (or the bug with companions being mixed in wrong category), so why was that part still allowed if it wasn't possible in the pre-battle?
You already have the 'option' to prioritize heavy armor/throwables/polearms/etc...subset within a troop grouping (which I don't think actually works in-game), so there is clearly a route that could be implemented to utilize that 'feature' to re-organize/extract' troop groupings.
I thoroughly enjoy being able the place troops before the battle starts and being able to "scout" the map before the battle begins.
However...
I do really miss not being able to segregate troop types.
But my technological knowledge does not extend far enough to weigh in on this, so I'll take it at face value that it can't be done and won't come back.
However...
I do really miss not being able to segregate troop types.
But my technological knowledge does not extend far enough to weigh in on this, so I'll take it at face value that it can't be done and won't come back.
Could you not add more specific weapon selection rather than just polearms you could have one and 2 handed selection which also allows you to pick between mace,sword and such and give a prefrence to troops with light armor.
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five bucks
Knight at Arms
Well, thanks for the response
@MRay with the current system you are unable to do very basic stuff like
Such things are very very basic and common for almost all players and I am not adding others like having your surgeon in the front line because someone says that he is an infantry man because I know you are aware.
Honestly in my very humble opinion I think you can't see the forest for the trees.
- creating a shield wall in the front line to absorb the enemy arrow rain with infantry which have a shield because you can not split units with and without it in two groups. The result is that now I am avoiding using units without shield.
- You are also unable to create a group with new recruits to deploy them in a safe position, training people has become a little nightmare.
- You are unable to create a sort of tactical reserve with high tier units, which is really awful.
Such things are very very basic and common for almost all players and I am not adding others like having your surgeon in the front line because someone says that he is an infantry man because I know you are aware.
Honestly in my very humble opinion I think you can't see the forest for the trees.
five bucks
Knight at Arms
I was doing that anyway because arrows do such a ridiculous amount of damage to armor lol but you're not wrong.
He probably understands and the boss just made him do it so that it was easier for console players to do it on controllers.
Partyscreen Formation Assignments for 1.0.0 has been working great for me. You can put your troops into formations in the party screen like before, and then they will be in the formations in the OoB screen. Only issue right now is that banners cause crashes for some reason, so make sure you don't have any banners equipped. Since they are useless anyway I don't really miss them....
