Possible cause, not necessary cause. The flaming pigs from RTW should have almost the same effect on the horses.
Camels: A horse's worst nightmare?
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Possible cause, not necessary cause. The flaming pigs from RTW should have almost the same effect on the horses.
Oskatat
Squire
basically, the horses met with an animal bigger than them and rather agressive towards them that also smelled strange. Even if they were trained to ignore fire and loud noises, horses are rather skittish and panick quickly at something new. Horses trained to work together wouldnt have this problem. However, most camels actually dislike horses, just like cats dislike dogs and vice versa. Pictures of horses and camels living ogether happily fall in the same category as dog and cat together pictures: human induced. Put a different camel or horse and it wont work, even if the other feels "good" towards the other
European horses: bred for sheer bloody size and brutality. Warhorses were damn big things which, when armoured, would make you get out the way pretty quickly.
Steppe horses: bred for endurance and hardiness, werent as physically big or muscular as European breeds but had far greater stamina.
Camels: tall, bulbous and ugly. Mildly effective against human morale if not seen before. The smell of a camel isnt too pleasent, but cant see how it would scare a horse. They cannot run as fast as European or steppe breeds, but their padded feet splay out and allow a better footing, whilst the rocking really wouldnt be a huge problem to a skilled fighter.
The myth that camels frightened horses is probably true, as anything can happen in a fight and the camels might have scared the European riders too. But I find it unlikely for a couple reasons;
1. European warhorses were bred for size and weight, meaning once they got going they wouldnt stop. They often had their eyes covered like Shire horses now a days, similar to the way the Eastern Cataphracts did, so no to shy away from charging. This meant that, if anything, it would be the smell and camels dont smell that bad if I remember correctly.
2. Any horse used to fight is trained, hopefully, to withstand the noise of melee and other intimidating things. I imagine ti would be hard to scare such an animal.
Camels probably just have an advantage to cavalry as its hard to convey an environmental benefit. The camels would perform better on sandy and desert environments than horses of any breed. THis is another possibility... a European or any large breed of warhorse charges, flounders in the sand and performs poorly, and all of a sudden a unitof camel move in and are able to move perfectly well. This would scare the riders and the panic of a successful camel attack would scare the horses... just an idea.
Steppe horses: bred for endurance and hardiness, werent as physically big or muscular as European breeds but had far greater stamina.
Camels: tall, bulbous and ugly. Mildly effective against human morale if not seen before. The smell of a camel isnt too pleasent, but cant see how it would scare a horse. They cannot run as fast as European or steppe breeds, but their padded feet splay out and allow a better footing, whilst the rocking really wouldnt be a huge problem to a skilled fighter.
The myth that camels frightened horses is probably true, as anything can happen in a fight and the camels might have scared the European riders too. But I find it unlikely for a couple reasons;
1. European warhorses were bred for size and weight, meaning once they got going they wouldnt stop. They often had their eyes covered like Shire horses now a days, similar to the way the Eastern Cataphracts did, so no to shy away from charging. This meant that, if anything, it would be the smell and camels dont smell that bad if I remember correctly.
2. Any horse used to fight is trained, hopefully, to withstand the noise of melee and other intimidating things. I imagine ti would be hard to scare such an animal.
Camels probably just have an advantage to cavalry as its hard to convey an environmental benefit. The camels would perform better on sandy and desert environments than horses of any breed. THis is another possibility... a European or any large breed of warhorse charges, flounders in the sand and performs poorly, and all of a sudden a unitof camel move in and are able to move perfectly well. This would scare the riders and the panic of a successful camel attack would scare the horses... just an idea.
Kasimir
Knight
Kalnia 说:
That strikes me as how to make your horse trip in one easy lesson. Very few battlefields would be clear enough for a horse to be able to gallop with its eyes covered unless the rider wants to be squashed beneath 1200+ lbs of animal. Uneven ground. Obstacles.
Are you sure you not confusing them with blinders? Which only restrict peripheral vision. They look something like this...
So that horse can show off his cool sunglasses to his equine buddies.
The horse is a plains dwelling herbivore selected primarily for it's ability to run like **** when something large and unusual comes along. Horses will generally react to anything new by running away from it, it's the main reason they're not extinct.Kalnia 说:
The horses sense of smell is far superior to your own, and it's not a question of whether they smell bad or not, horses don't generally care about B.O. The problem is, it smells different, and is a large animal the horse hasn't encountered before. Like I said, the horse will run, because for the majority of it's evolution large, strange smelling animals have tended to try to eat it.
No. Even to a human ear camels are quite distinguishable from combat.
Katana_Geldar
Veteran
No jokes about how a camel is a horse put together by a committee? Shame!
I think that the smell of camels to make horses (and ponies incidentally) run was used tactically by Claudius in the Battle of Brentwood Hill.
I think that the smell of camels to make horses (and ponies incidentally) run was used tactically by Claudius in the Battle of Brentwood Hill.
Sr. Coronado
Recruit
More unlikely animals have been used...
Sumerian chariots were driven by onagers... an ancestor to the modern day ass. Quite simply, the Sumerians had noone else to pull their chariots! Along with a common ancestry to the much loved donkey came the same temperament.
Imagine pulling your chariot into battle, and then watching as your resplendent bronze war-machine - the pride of your position as the military aristocracy of antiquity - with its loud wheels and terrifying sound...grinds to a stop. The Elamites are charging, whipped into a violent frenzy and tear into the Sumerian ranks! ...and your chariot is stalled by an ass of an animal.
And I'm throwing in with what people have said: The horse is a skittish animal, and the destrier's height came to no more than 16 hands. Camels were big to them, and they hadn't seen them before. Height is very important to animals, after all, as it is the way practically all of them judge strength. So, the horses were scared of them even if the people were not.
Sumerian chariots were driven by onagers... an ancestor to the modern day ass. Quite simply, the Sumerians had noone else to pull their chariots! Along with a common ancestry to the much loved donkey came the same temperament.
Imagine pulling your chariot into battle, and then watching as your resplendent bronze war-machine - the pride of your position as the military aristocracy of antiquity - with its loud wheels and terrifying sound...grinds to a stop. The Elamites are charging, whipped into a violent frenzy and tear into the Sumerian ranks! ...and your chariot is stalled by an ass of an animal.
And I'm throwing in with what people have said: The horse is a skittish animal, and the destrier's height came to no more than 16 hands. Camels were big to them, and they hadn't seen them before. Height is very important to animals, after all, as it is the way practically all of them judge strength. So, the horses were scared of them even if the people were not.
Agent Griff
Master Knight
Horses also have some quirks with their eye-sight, from what I've read. They see humans as two times bigger than their actual size, because of the way their eyes are positioned on their heads so I can only imagine how a horse would see a camel.
On the subject of using unlikely animals, at least one group of Sea People at the end of the Bronze Age are recorded as having used giant moster chariot tanks pulled by oxen. I can't see it moving as fast as a normal chariot, but it isn't something I'd really want to stop.
As to horses and camels, it's the smell mainly, as has been said earlier. However, the only recorded case I could find of camels being used against horses for that simple reason is the one with Cyrus the Great. Might be a bit of a case of flaming pigs again. Recorded as being used effectively once, so put it in the game as being the norm, because it makes a cool feature.
Cheers
Kvedulf
As to horses and camels, it's the smell mainly, as has been said earlier. However, the only recorded case I could find of camels being used against horses for that simple reason is the one with Cyrus the Great. Might be a bit of a case of flaming pigs again. Recorded as being used effectively once, so put it in the game as being the norm, because it makes a cool feature.
Cheers
Kvedulf
Forgive me if this has been mentioned or sounds stupid.. But heres my theory
Someone in this thread said camels are taller then horses, cant remember who.
In that case it would be easier to cut the head off of someone on a horse.
But infantry could be out of reach.
If thats true...
If > = Pwns
Horse > Infantry > Camel > Horse
Besides that, a horse might be scared because of the size of the camel and It's rider, just like we would piss our pants in front of a giant.
Someone in this thread said camels are taller then horses, cant remember who.
In that case it would be easier to cut the head off of someone on a horse.
But infantry could be out of reach.
If thats true...
If > = Pwns
Horse > Infantry > Camel > Horse
Besides that, a horse might be scared because of the size of the camel and It's rider, just like we would piss our pants in front of a giant.
CountArtha
Knight at Arms
Cataphracts.
If you want maxed-out heavy cavalry, you use camels. They're bigger than horses and so they can carry more weight - armor for example. They also afford the rider an advantage when engaging lancers on horseback because they would be higher and an overhead spear thrust is more awkward and has less reach than an underhand thrust.
If you want maxed-out heavy cavalry, you use camels. They're bigger than horses and so they can carry more weight - armor for example. They also afford the rider an advantage when engaging lancers on horseback because they would be higher and an overhead spear thrust is more awkward and has less reach than an underhand thrust.
They're also bigger targets though. That's got to be taken into consideration as well. And I'm not sure, but aren't some horses faster than any camel?CountArtha 说:Cataphracts.
If you want maxed-out heavy cavalry, you use camels. They're bigger than horses and so they can carry more weight - armor for example. They also afford the rider an advantage when engaging lancers on horseback because they would be higher and an overhead spear thrust is more awkward and has less reach than an underhand thrust.
FrisianDude
Archduke
I'm not sure you can call an overhand thrust awkward.
He means when you are holding the spear with the pointy side going out the side of your grip with your pinky. Like a reverse grip on a knife, but with a spear. And yes, it is awkward, but I still see no use for it haha.FrisianDude 说:
