Blood and gore.

[Crotiz]

Fully support this so that I can fullfill my fantasies..

Wait.. I meant.. To fullfill the game... Yeah.. That's it!

 

[Askorti]

So more player downloaded dismemberment then good smithing or actually working perks. But they dont want it, sure, sure...

"Because most people dont bother much with smithing in the first place." And it is not a worthless feature for some reason. Sorry man, but your all arguments are the trash.
I finished.

Well, I didn't download any of the three mods, so you've got at least one example of a person who doesn't care for either. (And yet I sti at over 20 mods used concurrently, which means that clearly there are bigger issues with the game) Also, as a side note, I could argue that both smithing and perks are adressed by several different mods, which dillutes the download numbers, as some people might use different means to the same goal.
IMO, smithing *is* a pretty worthless feature. Personally I wouldn't have bothered introducing it if I was TW, since it doesn't add much to the gameplay and I bet it required a ton of work, and they still didn't get it right.

Well, your argument basically boils down to "hurr durr, I want to chop heads and limbs off" so I don't know if you're in a position to call my arguments trash, my friend.

 

[Honved]

The problem with adding dismemberment is that it involves a fair amount of animation, new art assets, and coding. It's not the most complex thing in the world to add, but it takes development time. That time could be spent on a number of other features and bugs which CANNOT be fixed by modders, so I'd rather see this one tackled by a mod team than have Taleworlds dedicate time to it.

The absence of occasional serious gaping wounds that take weeks of in-game time to fully heal (rather than one night at the local inn) is one thing I wouldn't mind seeing addressed at some point (something a bit more than blood decals), but I don't consider it a priority, because I'm not into the game primarily for the gore factor.

 

[bodhi]

@Askorti

Don't bite the bait. He's trying to bemuse and confuse the debate with a stawman argument. The only worthwhile point is that M&B has a certain level of realism and, considering that dismemberment never happened, TW has decided it does not fit within the context of their game. That's it. This guy only has a sadistic desire and expects TW to lower their bar to fullfil it. Childish.

 

[Maximum997]

so I'd rather see this one tackled by a mod team than have Taleworlds dedicate time to it.

I am not sure that moders can do it.

 

[Maximum997]

Well, your argument basically boils down to "hurr durr, I want to chop heads and limbs off" so I don't know if you're in a position to call my arguments trash, my friend.

My argument is "give us a choise, becouse a lot of players want it, downloads is a proof"
Your argument is " dont give them a choise, beocuse it is not historical accurate!111"

And i even forget the stupid arguments like "it is only 1% of playerbase!1111"

 

[Ryotarou]

I've heard it from multiple, well-regarded sources (people who live this kind of information), that battlefield dismemberments were near non-existent - judging by the information available from medieval battle-fields archeologists have dug up.If it happened on the odd occasion, it was probably a fluke or committed after the battle had ended. The site of the Battle of Visby, fe, is apparently the most well preserved of all medieval battle sites. Archaeologists got a very good picture of the injuries sustained by all 2,000 victims. Not one had a single finger dismemberment.

I think it's safe to say dismemberment is a Hollywood fantasy.

I researched about this visby battle and found nothing about the bodies being intact and taking into account that they are on the ground for centuries I doubt that there is evidence that there was no dismemberment after all a head may be far from the body there in the middle of the heap, another fact important ... dismemberment is not just the head, but other parts of the body such as arms, legs etc, should have more detail in battles, not because it is not "historically mimimimi" the game should show the brutality and danger of a battle real and the only feeling I feel playing a battle is like any other, there is nothing different.
Remembering dismemberment was rare but not impossible

 

[R4MPZY]

Good feature is a feature that players want and like. Thats all.

Dismemberment doesnt work correct, but it is already on of the most downloaded mod.

It has more downloads then autoblocker, and they introduce autoblock.

Dismemberment only has like 90k downloads though, its not even in the top 10.

So by your logic they should implement all other mods before dismemberment because majority likes them more.

I researched about this visby battle and found nothing about the bodies being intact and taking into account that they are on the ground for centuries I doubt that there is evidence that there was no dismemberment after all a head may be far from the body there in the middle of the heap, another fact important ... dismemberment is not just the head, but other parts of the body such as arms, legs etc, should have more detail in battles, not because it is not "historically mimimimi" the game should show the brutality and danger of a battle real and the only feeling I feel playing a battle is like any other, there is nothing different.
Remembering dismemberment was rare but not impossible

It did happen sometimes yes, but thats why they wear armor and helmets though.... In reality it is near impossible to actually dismember someone fully kitted out in armor. But if you base it on hollywood movies or series, yes its absolutely possible; but then again so are transformers.

 

[Maximum997]

Dismemberment only has like 90k downloads though, its not even in the top 10.

And it is more then community patch that fixes perks.

So by your logic they should implement all other mods before dismemberment because majority likes them more.

Emmm. Yes. Mods like Fast dialogues, dyplomacy or DCC should be implemented in the game.
Or you will say like this kid that "Most of the players dont want fast dialogues!!! They like loading screens every battle!!! It is only 2%!!"

In reality it is near impossible to actually dismember someone fully kitted out in armor.

But in the game we have armies of naked pesants. And right now in the game all armor was bought from Ali express i guess, becosue it has 0 protection.

 

[Ryotarou]

Dismemberment only has like 90k downloads though, its not even in the top 10.

So by your logic they should implement all other mods before dismemberment because majority likes them more.



It did happen sometimes yes, but thats why they wear armor and helmets though.... In reality it is near impossible to actually dismember someone fully kitted out in armor. But if you base it on hollywood movies or series, yes its absolutely possible; but then again so are transformers.

I just put in my previous post that they should put a balance and said the same thing as you, I recommend reading the other post before commenting on something like that

 

[Tork789]

It very rarely happened in real life medieval battles

Are you sure? Afaik medieval mass graves often show excessive use of violence. Don't cite me on that tho, I only seen a couple of articles.

 

[Askorti]

My argument is "give us a choise, becouse a lot of players want it, downloads is a proof"
Your argument is " dont give them a choise, beocuse it is not historical accurate!111"

And i even forget the stupid arguments like "it is only 1% of playerbase!1111"

You conveniently forgot about the argument I postulated at the very beginning about it being a waste of development time, as well as a drain on limited resources AND a potential introduction of further complexities into the code, which could lead to more bugs. As well as the fact that you CAN get that nonessential and niche feature without all of the above drawbacks if you just use a mod that already can be done even now, with no modding tools involved. But hey, lets cherry pick the things we want to address, right?

 

[Ryotarou]

You conveniently forgot about the argument I postulated at the very beginning about it being a waste of development time, as well as a drain on limited resources AND a potential introduction of further complexities into the code, which could lead to more bugs. As well as the fact that you CAN get that nonessential and niche feature without all of the above drawbacks if you just use a mod that already can be done even now, with no modding tools involved. But hey, lets cherry pick the things we want to address, right?

If a modder did it easily without even being paid for it, I think people with a lot of experience can do it too

 

[Maximum997]

You conveniently forgot about the argument I postulated at the very beginning about it being a waste of development time, as well as a drain on limited resources AND a potential introduction of further complexities into the code, which could lead to more bugs. As well as the fact that you CAN get that nonessential and niche feature without all of the above drawbacks if you just use a mod that already can be done even now, with no modding tools involved. But hey, lets cherry pick the things we want to address, right?

I can tell you some very complicated thing. But they can do it.... later. Becouse exept perfarmance issues anything can be done by moders. Fixing perks? Nah, mods will do it. Fixing troops? Nah, moders will do it. Right?

If a modder did it easily without even being paid for it, I think people with a lot of experience can do it too

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[R4MPZY]

And it is more then community patch that fixes perks.

Emmm. Yes. Mods like Fast dialogues, dyplomacy or DCC should be implemented in the game.
Or you will say like this kid that "Most of the players dont want fast dialogues!!! They like loading screens every battle!!! It is only 2%!!"

But in the game we have armies of naked pesants. And right now in the game all armor was bought from Ali express i guess, becosue it has 0 protection.

I have no doubt that they will implement most of the tweaks and fixes in the future. It is still an EA game afterall and modders can simply put their time into the 1 thing that they want added or are annoyed by. TW has the whole game to consider, and 1 fix can mean something else gets broken.

I do agree that low tier should be able to get dismembered in some form, but people dont just simply lose their head or arm when you swing a sword at them. Maybe they could add it in the very far future as a dlc like you said, but i wouldn't hold my breath because they allready talked about this.

 

[Ryotarou]

I have no doubt that they will implement most of the tweaks and fixes in the future. It is still an EA game afterall and modders can simply put their time into the 1 thing that they want added or are annoyed by. TW has the whole game to consider, and 1 fix can mean something else gets broken.

I do agree that low tier should be able to get dismembered in some form, but people dont just simply lose their head or arm when you swing a sword at them. Maybe they could add it in the very far future as a dlc like you said, but i wouldn't hold my breath because they allready talked about this.

If it's not official then there will be mod and modders are working with a file limit

 

[R4MPZY]

If it's not official then there will be mod and modders are working with a file limit

Modding tools isnt even out yet so all the mods out now are nothing compared to what they will be able to do in the future.

 

[Maximum997]

Modding tools isnt even out yet so all the mods out now are nothing compared to what they will be able to do in the future.

Yes. I am reallly hoping for good modding tools. I really dont giva a crap about what devs are doing, becouse mods will be far better then vanila. Becouse it is always the case with any game.

But i am not sure, that moders can do this feature properly.

 

[kweassa]

gutting and splattering should be there as an OPTION, regardless of whether it is historically accurate or not.
historical accuracy has ruined most games, such as kingoom as deliverance.
Historical accuracy must be an option, not an imposition.

Staying faithful and true to historical realism, as much as possible, is what allowed this franchise to be created in first place.

Why do you suppose people have been supporting this game for more than 10~12 years, despite the fact that there are other games that offer better graphics, better triple-A support, same medieval themed, and chockful of historically inaccurate but fun action gaming?

Medieval game buffs and history buffs are the people who kept this game alive and waited for a decade. If I want to play action-packed gore-filled game, I GO AND PLAY THAT GAME, NOT THIS GAME.

Stop trying to homogenize the game into the action arcade format, when it's never designed that way, nor ever intended to be.

(ps) For the idiocy of going into mod downloads, go and see some other games and how many downloads anime/manga mods get. Those mods are about the most popular kind in both Nexus and Steam Workshop, right along side nude mods and porn mods. Does that mean those games should have been released that way? Mods are a preference tool to fill niche tastes. It's got no bearing in this topic at all.

 

[kweassa]

Are you sure? Afaik medieval mass graves often show excessive use of violence. Don't cite me on that tho, I only seen a couple of articles.

You do realize skulls tend to detach from the torso when it is decayed down to the bone... right?