Block arrows with 2h

[Cyborg Eastern European]

What Stuboi said.

 

[Swadius 2.0]

I think that a bodkin arrow might go through a plate armour(cuirass) but only if shot at a good angle.

btw. 50 pounds is a small weight?

Bodkins against well made plate usually can't pierce them, and even if they did, the plate usually slows them down enough for the padding underneath to take most of the edge away. The cheaply made mass produced munitions plates made later on wouldn't stand up to the standards of a specially made one, but it can still protect the wearer from fatal injury most of the time. Even then, this stuff wasn't the plate present during the M&B era.

50lbs is nothing. A white collar or a middle or high class person might think it is, but in all reality, people have lugged heavier more unwieldy objects around since written history began. During the first world war in the Alps, Italian infantry had to lug their artillery up the mountain side through sheer man power as did the other side. Military equipment has always been heavy, and seeing as it hasn't changed in the last milennia I think we can come to the conclusion that the human body can tolerate such stresses more easily than most people can think.

It was usually roughly 20 kilos.
Modern equipment is 25-35. And they have to run for quite the distance in it.

running is different from jumping from side to side while swinging a big metal sword, also u have a helmet impeding fresh air and the padding under the metal is not the best thing to wear for prolonged exersice. even if it is in cold weather.

The armor, though it may be advertised as being heavy at first glance, the weight is distributed all over the body. Maille even, with a few belts the weight can be distibuted along several areas. That said, armor does inhibit. And if a person wants to adopt a strategy of deflecting arrow fire with a sword or axe for an extended length of time, he should probably adjust his eqiupment for such a task.
In any case, blocking arrows and bolts with a sword just doesn't really fit in with the rest of the game. Whacking away javeling and throwing axes might work, even then it's not recommended. Personally, if you want to do something fancy against projectile fire, I'd recommend gun kata instead.

 

[CounterPoint391]

running is different from jumping from side to side while swinging a big metal sword, also u have a helmet impeding fresh air and the padding under the metal is not the best thing to wear for prolonged exersice. even if it is in cold weather.

A fully loaded modern combat rifle weighs just as much as a sword. Actually more.

Even the largest two-handed swords weighted around 4.5 lbs. Guess how much an M16A4 weighs? about 7.5 pounds, unloaded...

 

[zollum]

No, I didnt, I just didnt want to feed the trolls.

Facts:

realism:
1) Did you ever play baseball and use a bow in real life?
No? Then try this. I can hit, and I could block arrows or at least 1 of 5.

Arrows move faster than a baseball, there should be some videos on youtube showing this

balance:
2) A medieval bow wasnt a 1 shot super wonder weapon machinegun or something, it was a peasants support weapon for the better troops. It wasnt possible to deal out headshots, it was inaccurate, it was slow, and did absolutely no damage to plate. (Only the best archers with the best bows could do a tiny bit of damage to knights.)

It is easy to deal out head shots with a bow, I've been doing archery for a year and already I can hit the heads of people with blunt arrows (and they have proper face and body protection, don't worry.

3) It would be impossible to block arrows with a tiny shield as well, following your arguments the only thing that could help would be the the Rhodock shield.

I have seen people block arrows with a bucklers and round shields with ease irl.

4) Afaik the game doesnt make a difference if its your hand that gets hit or your heart. So its a videogame not realism anyway. When a guy can die in seconds cos of 2 arrows in his hand so why shouldnt it be possible to block (with some luck) at least a few arrows?

It does have a difference, try turning on damage report and shooting someones head.

 

[Night Ninja]

Thanks for saving me the trouble, Swadius.

Zollum, bear in mind that arrows designed for use in a non-combat environment are going to fly far slower than actual arrows loosed from a war bow. These bows aren't precision tools as well. They didn't have these fancy sights and balance bars etc that are used in modern archery.

 

[Stuboi0]

Ninja has a point. Archery would have mainly been used for hunting, well it started off with that anyway. The warbows would have been stronger, lets say the longbow, 120lbs which is very VERY strong. Which is why English longbowmen were so deadly. Most people at first would struggle to pull back a 30lb bow and hold it AND keep accurate.

 

[Askorti]

Ninja has a point. Archery would have mainly been used for hunting, well it started off with that anyway. The warbows would have been stronger, lets say the longbow, 120lbs which is very VERY strong. Which is why English longbowmen were so deadly. Most people at first would struggle to pull back a 30lb bow and hold it AND keep accurate.

The strength of bowman isn't a bow but a person itself.
Experience and strength of archer is far more important than bow he is using.

 

[Stuboi0]

That is very true

 

[Xzafierk]

[quote author=Night ninja ]
Do the research. Incompetent command had far more to do with their defeat than arrows. And while I hate to admit it, Finished is right. A man-at-arms armoured cap-a-pie in plate is all but impervious to arrow fire. Even a humble gambeson does a lot.
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I realise that  superior english tactics and incompetent french leveled it out a bit but a longbowmans arrow could pierce munitions level plate at twenty yards and destroy that huge army of 36000.

 

[Timothy the Knight]

...longbowmans arrow could pierce munitions level plate at twenty yards...

Not quite.

And you do realize that not every knight could afford a full suit of plate on top of everything else, right? I'll bet the majority still were clad in mail.

 

[FrisianDude]

Someone in the comments there was claiming that

I can see 1 and every 20 knights fielded having metal armor.

, though, and that's just absurd. :O

 

[The_Freeman]

This is the most idiotic suggestion ever, in fact I find it offensive and I'm going to report this to a moderator.

 

[waggywags]

Sorry, was busy.

No? Then try this. I can hit, and I could block arrows or at least 1 of 5.
Hm. Let's see. I'm not about to doubt your skills, it IS possible. The thing is, that I probably failed to mention: People who are a wee bit busy trying to avoid getting slashed and stabbed tend to be unable to deflect arrows one of 5. And even if they could, as I borrow from a book: "You hit it one out of five times. The other four times, your dead." And were you deflecting those arrows with chainmail or the typical mail of the soldiers in the time we're speaking about? It affords less flexibility and can, combined with a helmet, slow you down sufficiently when your already weary. Of course, if you want to argue at the start of the fight, but that's too little time for MnB developers to want to work it in.

2) A medieval bow wasnt a 1 shot super wonder weapon machinegun or something, it was a peasants support weapon for the better troops. It wasnt possible to deal out headshots, it was inaccurate, it was slow, and did absolutely no damage to plate. (Only the best archers with the best bows could do a tiny bit of damage to knights.)
Note: I'm not saying one archer. In mount and blade, if you and an archer are dueling it out, maybe, but that isn't enough to warrant implementing the feature. And in mass fire, arrows are pretty indiscriminate.

3) It would be impossible to block arrows with a tiny shield as well, following your arguments the only thing that could help would be the the Rhodock shield.
*Rhodok. Yes, it IS rather impossible. That's where size attribute comes in. Ever tried going into first person and seeing the difference between a raised and lowered shield when it was a small one..? Hurts.

4) Afaik the game doesnt make a difference if its your hand that gets hit or your heart. So its a videogame not realism anyway. When a guy can die in seconds cos of 2 arrows in his hand so why shouldnt it be possible to block (with some luck) at least a few arrows?
AFAIK, the game DOES. Notice how armor adds to Head Chest and Legs respectively? Here you go. Hit the least armored part and he hurts more, realistic? And if he dies because of two arrows in the hand, he should wear gauntlets. In real life, two arrows IN the hand like you say has a very high chance of hitting a nice little place where blood just gushes out.

 

[Night Ninja]

And you do realize that not every knight could afford a full suit of plate on top of everything else, right? I'll bet the majority still were clad in mail.

Even mail and padding is an utter pain in the backside to penetrate.

 

[Stuboi0]

Someone please lock this rediculously stupid sub forum!?!?!? Its becoming irritating and going off track. Its also the WORST IDEA I'VE EVER HEARD!

 

[AoC]

And you do realize that not every knight could afford a full suit of plate on top of everything else, right? I'll bet the majority still were clad in mail.

Even mail and padding is an utter pain in the backside to penetrate.

Funny how people fail to understand that NN is right here.

 

[Xzafierk]

...longbowmans arrow could pierce munitions level plate at twenty yards...

Not quite.

And you do realize that not every knight could afford a full suit of plate on top of everything else, right? I'll bet the majority still were clad in mail.

Munitions steel not a tempered plate.

 

[FrisianDude]

Someone please lock this rediculously stupid sub forum!?!?!? Its becoming irritating and going off track. Its also the WORST IDEA I'VE EVER HEARD!

This is a thread. The Privy Council is the sub-forum.

 

[Herr_Thomas]

Again, as i've posted in pointless threads before.

Lock the thread, all that is happening is trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling noobs.

 

[Swadius 2.0]

There doesn't seem to be trolls around. You might not agree about what is being said by some people, but it doesn't mean that there's trolling abound.