PepperKP said:chinese community will kick all of your asses with their 15min long rounds
thats like 2 hours more practise per scrim
Danate said:Must suck Fietta never being top of any class.
OurGloriousLeader said:Calamity said:The NA scene was mostly ignored.
By Americans, ye
Calamity said:Name one stream MB_TV did for NA.
Calamity said:I remember them mentioning a few months ago NA would get servers on the new(er) matchmaking. What will happen first, Bannerlord or that?
Calamity said:Ye. Name one stream MB_TV did for NA.
Name one tournament Captain Lust hosted for North America.
We got screwed in the first nations cup
The obvious no invite to LAN.
I was the first one to get a child board for NA and Lust kept moving the goalposts. It was a major pain in the ass. 12 teams?
We (Arys) did host the largest prize pool tournament for NA/EU besides the LAN and I made a tournament just for your scene. I also tried my best to save the NA scene, multiple times and I know a lot of other people who tried as well
Let's not forget you probably wouldn't even have matchmaking if it wasn't for Grim. I remember them mentioning a few months ago NA would get servers on the new(er) matchmaking. What will happen first, Bannerlord or that?
Shemaforash said:Is that fair?
Shemaforash said:Donate servers and I assume they will be put up
Calamity said:I'd say so. I made BladeCast with the intent on streaming both scenes. Our first one was a nations cup streaming of 2 EU teams. Now that NA is dead all we're streaming is EU matches.
Roberta_Baratheon said:Not to be aimed at you Calamity but tK would absolutely massacre BKS even after they got settled in.
OurGloriousLeader said:How on earth do you expect Lust to have done streams, which was his own passion project post-work and not as community manager, for NA as well, often in concurrent tournaments? Isn't that why you made Bladecast? Long before MBTV, the AE guys made Warband Battlestream. It's always been community driven, not TW driven.
Lust hosted only one tournament in his CM role AFAIK, and he famously abandoned it after like 1 week. You're putting horse before the cart here: Lust became community manager, because he made such a huge effort in making tournaments.
And every one after I believe you were given a home/away situation or as fair pings as possible. I myself regularly defended this and used whatever "influence" I had to ensure it was a fair system for NA, a system which has always given NA artificially close matches.
Turkey and Russia didn't get 'invited' either - it was fairly clearly a time issue, we were given less than a month iirc.
The last tournament I ran, NC, was given the same constraints despite being obvious that we'd get enough teams.
These were great efforts, especially on behalf of Arys for obvious reasons. However this was already at the point NA was dying, it kept things going for a while, but it was already dependent on EU population by then.
The problems centred more around UNAC and similar, which began not long after WNL but was never as successful for multiple reasons. In this, Deacon and Scar deserve a lot of recognition for taking the WNL format and continually improving it without causing (many) community uproars and they have played a huge role in keeping the scene alive here. UNAC just never was as successful, and again part of this was simply Bks leaving an already lower-population scene./quote]
These were great efforts, especially on behalf of Arys for obvious reasons. However this was already at the point NA was dying, it kept things going for a while, but it was already dependent on EU population by then.
The problems centred more around UNAC and similar, which began not long after WNL but was never as successful for multiple reasons. In this, Deacon and Scar deserve a lot of recognition for taking the WNL format and continually improving it without causing (many) community uproars and they have played a huge role in keeping the scene alive here. UNAC just never was as successful, and again part of this was simply Bks leaving an already lower-population scene.
The matchmaking is excellent in foundation and Grim rightly deserves credit for it, but that still has nothing to do with NA being ignored by Lust, TW, etc. I'm sure servers will be put up if provided too?a
Watly said:Black Eagles would dumpster wK and BkS any day of the week.
Calamity said:Post-work or not, he could have tried. His major contribution was making the streamer mod. Then he tweaked it for BoB and left the company and refused to let anyone have access to the source code to improve it or even use the modified version.
You don't have to tell me it's community driven I'm quite aware. When you have a job as community manager though, you have a lot more influence than anyone else. You know that, I know that.
Unfortunately, NA was always a smaller community so without proper promotion and maintenance it was bound to die out. Ask Deacon and Scar why they made this iteration of WNL.
Calamity said:Multiple people have offered servers. Our sponsor is a server host. I can get them in 5 minutes if needed. They need to start the programming, last I heard.
OurGloriousLeader said:Unfortunately, NA was always a smaller community so without proper promotion and maintenance it was bound to die out. Ask Deacon and Scar why they made this iteration of WNL.
I know exactly why they did it because I've been pushing for these ideas for ages. We'd had top team only, KO tournaments for a long time where majority of teams ended up being dominated and had no playtime for 90% of a tournament. Deacon and Scar fixed this and have one of the most populated and successful tournaments in a long time - entirely from their own initiative.
All I'm saying is it's false, or at the very least misleading and identifying the wrong issue, to blame the state of NA multiplayer on Lust or TW. EU success is mostly just due to geographical location to Turkey, and bizarre little quirks like a German retail chain pushing M&B a lot on release (hence the billions of young Germans in the scene). It's likely some of this will carry over to Bannerlord, so NA should be ready to hit the ground running with good tournaments and consistent rules to maximise retention. And beg Bks/wK to return.
Sure, if he didn't commit to doing so in the first place. The problem is that he did, then flaked out all but one time. A little responsibility isn't too much to expect.Hero_of_Ferelden said:I think it's a bit unreasonable to have expected Lust to stream NA matches given the timezone difference.