Black immigrants and asylum seekers a cancer on the Israelean body

[MousePad]

The irony of western countries saving the Jews from genocide? Yeah. Pretty ironic.

It's not the saving that we did wrong. It's what happened afterwards.

 

[Radalan]

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts%20About%20Israel/People/SOCIETY-%20Minority%20Communities

Pluralism and Segregation: As a multi-ethnic, multicultural, multi-religious, and multi-lingual society, Israel has a high level of informal segregation patterns. While groups are not separated by official policy, a number of different sectors within the society are somewhat segregated and maintain their strong cultural, religious, ideological, and/or ethnic identity.

However, despite a fairly high degree of social cleavage, some economic disparities and an often overheated political life, the society is relatively balanced and stable. The low level of social conflict between the different groups, notwithstanding an inherent potential for social unrest, can be attributed to the country's judicial and political systems, which represent strict legal and civic equality.

Thus, Israel is not a meltingpot society, but rather more of a mosaic made up of different population groups coexisting in the framework of a democratic state.

 

[Bulle]

They have a quite weird language use when they talk about these immigrants and refugees. Like they say "illegal immigrants" about asylum seekers and refugees, asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants since they are protected by the convention relating to the status of refugees which gives them the right to go to another country and apply for staying there as a refugee.

 

[Mage246]

It's no different than what has happened in Southern Europe to African illegal immigrants crossing from Northern Africa. Or illegal immigrants from Central and South American crossing into the US from Mexico. You're blowing this out of proportion.

 

[Bulle]

It's no different than what has happened in Southern Europe to African illegal immigrants crossing from Northern Africa. Or illegal immigrants from Central and South American crossing into the US from Mexico. You're blowing this out of proportion.

Blowing what out of proportion? That there is a legal difference between illegal immigrants and asylum seekers/refugees or are you saying that it there has been firebombing of African peoples homes in Europe/US and during the same time members of parliament are saying that Africans are a cancer on society (just to later apologize to cancerpatients, but not to Africans) and that presidents/prime ministers say stuff like they are infiltrators which destroys the identity of the country?

 

[Kobrag]

It's no different than what has happened in Southern Europe to African illegal immigrants crossing from Northern Africa. Or illegal immigrants from Central and South American crossing into the US from Mexico. You're blowing this out of proportion.

Amoral apologist!

>.>

*huggles*

 

[MickDick]

It's the same because these immigrants all move because their own country is so bad right now that they cannot make a decent (or at least, happy) living there, or maybe can't live there at all.

And the responses are more or less the same, just on different extremes.

 

[Archonsod]

It's no different than what has happened in Southern Europe to African illegal immigrants crossing from Northern Africa. Or illegal immigrants from Central and South American crossing into the US from Mexico. You're blowing this out of proportion.

There's not been any race riots in Southern Europe for quite some time. Probably because current policy is to move them all to processing centres conveniently positioned near the least monitored part of your border with a neighbour, hand them a free supply of useful maps and translation books for said neighbour and let nature take it's course.
Which come to think of it, is probably the best means of acclimatising newcomers to life in the glorious EU.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

So, there has been a lot of things happening in Israel lately. Molotov cocktails thrown at houses with African immigrants, firebombs against African homes and hatespeach against Africans which resulted in a riot in which several shops got looted and destroyed and Africans attacked and assaulted. MK and IDF spokeswoman which held a speech about how Africans are a cancer on society did actually apologize - to the cancer patients and holocaust survivors.

A charming woman. Positively charming.

 

[Mage246]

It's the same because these immigrants all move because their own country is so bad right now that they cannot make a decent (or at least, happy) living there, or maybe can't live there at all.

And the responses are more or less the same, just on different extremes.

Exactly. One riot and 1 molotov cocktail (yup, just one) does not = ethnic cleansing. Neither does deporting illegal immigrants. And sorry Bulle, but you seem to be confusing how Sweden handles asylum seekers who are also illegal immigrants with how other countries handle it. In most cases, it ends in deportation.

 

[Bulle]

Exactly. One riot and 1 molotov cocktail (yup, just one) does not = ethnic cleansing. Neither does deporting illegal immigrants. And sorry Bulle, but you seem to be confusing how Sweden handles asylum seekers who are also illegal immigrants with how other countries handle it. In most cases, it ends in deportation.

One molotov cocktail, one firebomb, one riot which resulted in beating up blacks and destroying their shopwindows, a bunch of politicians with hateful speach and Netanyahu describing how Africans are a threat to Jewish identity (all of this while African immigrants are like what, 1% of the Israeli population?) in just under 2 weeks. That seems like a lot to me.

No, you are the one who is confused. An asylum seeker is not an illegal immigrant by international law, the country it comes to has two different options 1. Say that you indeed have a right to seek asylum here and the person gets the status as a refugee or 2. Say that no, you did not have the right to seek asylum here and we deport you. If number 2 happens, then it is an illegal immigrant but until then they are not technically illegal immigrants.

 

[Mage246]

And in most cases, it's # 2. Which is exactly what I said. Illegal immigrant = entered the country illegally or exceeded the terms of their visa. Doesn't matter if they entered the country to seek asylum, they still entered illegally so they're still illegal immigrants. Their status only changes if asylum is granted. You have it reversed for reasons I can't even begin to fathom.

 

[Worbah]

I've no sympathy for Israel. And no, I'm not anti-semitic, I just ****ing hate the atrocities that are swept under the rug of "but we were victims so we know better"-bull****. If you are pro-Israel, imagine this **** happening in an "ayrab"-country. Segregation, daily hate crimes no-one seems to give a **** about, etc.

 

[Mage246]

I'm just arguing for it to be treated as a normal country with normal country problems. Illegal immigration being one of them.

 

[Worbah]

I'm just arguing for it to be treated as a normal country with normal country problems. Illegal immigration being one of them.

And their treatment of Palestinians? Tough love?

 

[Legolan]

From my understanding Israel just wants to kick them out, its not a holocaust folks.

 

[Worbah]

From my understanding Israel just wants to kick them out, its not a holocaust folks.

No, it's just telling a nation of people to abandon their homes and **** off. Fun fact; there are five Palestinian civilian corpses per every dead Israeli. I guess eye for an eye don't quite cut it anymore.

 

[AWdeV]

I think he's referring to what Bulle posted, not Israel in general. That said, it's some pretty ****ty rhetoric though.

I'm just arguing for it to be treated as a normal country with normal country problems. Illegal immigration being one of them.

A normal country with normal country problems. Like the leader claiming black-skinned immigrants are infiltrators. Didn't know Iran and North Korea had achieved "normal country" status.

 

[Mage246]

Well considering how paranoid they are about border security, I'm sure they're not well pleased with the notion of thousands of people sneaking in anyway.

 

[Almalexia]

I'm just arguing for it to be treated as a normal country with normal country problems. Illegal immigration being one of them.

And their treatment of Palestinians? Tough love?

Well, I'd say a normal country with *very special circumstances*. Namely, being completely surrounded by hostile nations, and having extremely little land to give in the case of invasion. And, well, the threat of invasion has been proven in the past. Multiple times.

The absorption of Palestine is as much for the purpose of survival Israel's own survival, as it is for cultural and historical reasons. While I don't exactly support the repression of Palestinians, I do support the right of a country to do what it takes to defend itself against overwhelming outside opposition. That is, in other words, to exist, even if it at the expense of other countries.