Black African Faction

[Depressinho]

No African presence in Global medieval history. Contrary to how you appear to think, history is not Eurocentric. Africans were right along side Indochina and the Arabians until the introduction of gunpowder. What you said is blatantly racist. You clearly stated the only siginificant part historically about Africans is slavery. Now why would you think thats a good idea?

If you haven't noticed, since you are too busy calling people racist for no reason, calradia resembles quite well medieval europe...also we are talking about europe's medieval history not global history.

Most uneducated commoners didn't even know about the existence of black people in the middle ages, some people had heard stories (or legends at the time) and some actually knew black people.
Also would you care to explain what role african tribes played in the development of european's medieval society except (sadly) being used as disposable workforce 200 years later? I don't seem to recall any black tribe taking part in the 100 years war or in similar events...

 

[stevehoos]

Neither were the Vikings/Kievan Rus or Celts. They'e received tech upgrades based on what might have happened if they had retained their culture.

But your statement is fundementally flawed in regards to the time period you reference

Good day, go look at a map of Africa in the 16th century. Africa was first new world, that's why the Occident annexed virtually the entire continent. From the Middle Ages onward that continent was a backwater in terms of tech. What part of Europe did they colonize?

 

[Charlemagne]

I think you're mistaken military focused cultures with societies which had other focuses. For example. The Mali held vast gold reserves and had a military to defend themselves. They were not particularly belligerent with their neighbors. Their neighbors were more likely belligerent with them. The Mali therefore were more of a society interested with trade and commerce. They also were religious and focused on literacy and mathematics so that their population could understand the Quran and trade gainfully. In other words why focus on developing military technology when you could just trade and buy other nations' soldiers and arms?

Some people dont want to kill all their neighbors

I think you're mistaking military focused cultures with societies which had other focuses. For example. The Mali held vast gold reserves and had a military to defend themselves. They were not particularly belligerent with their neighbors. Their neighbors were more likely belligerent with them. The Mali therefore were more of a society interested with trade and commerce. They also were religious and focused on literacy and mathematics so that their population could understand the Quran and trade gainfully. In other words why focus on developing military technology when you could just trade and buy other nations' soldiers and arms?

That was put beautifully

 

[Charlemagne]

If you haven't noticed, since you are too busy calling people racist for no reason, calradia resembles quite well medieval europe...also we are talking about europe's medieval history not global history.

Most uneducated commoners didn't even know about the existence of black people in the middle ages, some people had heard stories (or legends at the time) and some actually knew black people.
Also would you care to explain what role african tribes played in the development of european's medieval society except (sadly) being used as disposable workforce 200 years later? I don't seem to recall any black tribe taking part in the 100 years war or in similar events...

No calradia is clearly a representation of medieval powers from 600 to 1100 AD. Therefore Africans should be there

 

[Depressinho]

No calradia is clearly a representation of medieval powers from 600 to 1100 AD. Therefore Africans should be there

i suggest you take a good look at the map and then at a real map of europe...
also you didn't answer my question.

 

[CryoNomad]

I have no issue with adding a Somilia type nation to Mount & Blade. When I think of recruiting large cavalry armies and tearing in heavily plate armored foes. I think of Somilia and their conquering habits. I'm tired of the Mongols taking all the credit for giving Europe a proper spanking.

 

[Charlemagne]

No calradia is clearly a representation of medieval powers from 600 to 1100 AD. Therefore Africans should be there

Also im not calling everyone racist im calling the paternalistic ideas some individuals possess as racist because the were originated from a period of racist eugenics. Also North Africa was naturally intrinsic to the Arabs which if you remember, conquered most of Europe.

i suggest you take a good look at the map and then at a real map of europe...
also you didn't answer my question.

I just answered it

 

[Demoulius]

Please explain to me how wanting a cultural representation of yourself is racist? God damn talk about privileged.

I think demanding that your ethnicity to be added to a game is a far bigger sign that you feel priviliged. But whatever, ignoring this thread. Just people calling eachother racist. Good day!

 

[SpectreSC]

Holy **** the amount of ignorant racists in this topic is incredible. It's almost surprising but then again I remember the times we live in.

African Societies during the Middle Ages were just as capable as European Societies, on many different levels. They just didn't engage in feudal warfare and politics as much as their fair-skinned cousins to the North across the sea. They were traders, mathematicians, religious people. Some of the most prosperous Kingdoms and Empires during the Middle Ages were literally African.

Again, The Songhai, The Mali, Great Zimbabwe, etc. Stop being ignorant and actually educate yourselves, lol.

Also, the map is clearly large enough to support 3-4 more factions. Just because you can't physically travel there yet doesn't mean "Oh no! Nothing will ever be here!". It's just developers limiting where you can go because... oh gee, I don't know... maybe it's for future content?

 

[Karl_Magnus]

This is sure heading towards a constructive and useful discussion.

 

[Charlemagne]

I think demanding that your ethnicity to be added to a game is a far bigger sign that you feel priviliged. But whatever, ignoring this thread. Just people calling eachother racist. Good day!

That is a sign i feel under priveledged if anything

This is sure ending towards a constructive and useful discussion.

I just wanted to correct and false beliefs ppl might possess

 

[S.O.D Brigand!]

Good day, go look at a map of Africa in the 16th century. Africa was first new world, that's why the Occident annexed virtually the entire continent. From the Middle Ages onward that continent was a backwater in terms of tech. What part of Europe did they colonize?

That doesn't really contradict anything in my argument. The celts were colonised by the Norman English. What did the celts do in the 16th century? The Kievean Rus/ Vikings were gone by the 16th century. They didn't exist. They are factions who are fun and interesting to play so they have been upgraded in tech. Brought forward to be on a level with 16th century technology.

 

[Depressinho]

Also im not calling everyone racist im calling the paternalistic ideas some individuals possess as racist because the were originated from a period of racist eugenics. Also North Africa was naturally intrinsic to the Arabs which if you remember, conquered most of Europe.

I just answered it

Arabs aren't black tribes...also im not sure where you saw the ottomans(im assuming you are referring to them) conquered most of europe, they were actually stopped by vlad the impaler in romania with pretty intresting tecniques, lets say that.

 

[SpectreSC]

That doesn't really contradict anything in my argument. The celts were colonised by the Norman English. What did the celts do in the 16th century? The Kievean Rus/ Vikings were gone by the 16th century. They didn't exist. They are factions who are fun and interesting to play so they have been upgraded in tech. Brought forward to be on a level with 16th century technology.

Careful now, he's going to pick apart your post here because we're technically in the 11th-12th Century tech-wise. Prepare yourself for a witty and snarky response at how wrong you are!

 

[TurtleFactz]

Also im not calling everyone racist im calling the paternalistic ideas some individuals possess as racist because the were originated from a period of racist eugenics. Also North Africa was naturally intrinsic to the Arabs which if you remember, conquered most of Europe.

There are lots of cultures missing from the game who's addition could very easily be justified. Again though, I think it's too late for an entire faction to be created wholesale. Best solution presently is through mods or to wait for a DLC which would be the earliest possibility of such an addition. It also depends on what the developers are interested in naturally, if they're knowledgeable about European history and passionate about recreating that it's not likely they'll delve into something like Japanese society for example. Not a clue where their interests/historical knowledge starts and ends though.

If you're serious about this ever becoming a possibility the suggestion section is probably where it best go and actually be seen by developers, you'll just get a lot of nonsense in general discussion.

 

[Depressinho]

That is a sign i feel under priveledged if anything

or that you feel more priviledged than many other cultures that arent in the game.

 

[Charlemagne]

Arabs aren't black tribes...also im not sure where you saw the ottomans(im assuming you are referring to them) conquered most of europe, they were actually stopped by vlad the impaler in romania with pretty intresting tecniques, lets say that.

1. I am saying that Black Africans coexistended with Arabian Arabs and assimilated. 2 I am referring to the Umayyad Caliphate not the Ottoman

 

[S.O.D Brigand!]

Careful now, he's going to pick apart your post here because we're technically in the 11th-12th Century tech-wise. Prepare yourself for a witty and snarky response at how wrong you are!

I'm braced for impact!

 

[drallim33]

This is sure ending towards a constructive and useful discussion.

It was never supposed to be. Threads like this are always a cynical excuse to call everyone racist.

Step 1: claim there aren't enough blacks in the game because the whole society is racist, history is racist, everything is racist
Step 2: call everyone who disagrees with you racist and ignorant

Just race baiting trolls

 

[SpectreSC]

or that you feel more priviledged than many other cultures that arent in the game.

Serious question, what harm does it do to you to have more content in the game with a whole new faction? Maybe in the form of, oh let's see here... I don't know... DLC?