Just finished some quick reading on the Songhai, now off to Great Zimbabwe
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Just finished some quick reading on the Songhai, now off to Great Zimbabwe
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And normans used heavy mailed knight with a lance and they existed during the year 1000.
Yeah you're trolling. You can't be this poor at reasoning. Also riddle me this where were the Pavise crossbows in what did you say 600AD or 800 AD lol. I'm done with you. If you are really being at all serious then I wish you happiness in your little kingdom of ignorance.
While moors had a high percentage of black people compared to other relevant north african kingdoms, saying they were a black kingdom is reductionist if not false
I just meant moorish people. They weren't discriminated from eachother and most north africans were called moors by the europeans. Such as Morien from King Arthur. He's black yet they refer to him as a moor.
There are other lands outside of calradia that are mentioned in character backgrounds in warband so its not entirely out side the realm of possibility. Geroia and ballion to name a few. There are about 5 total nations mentioned in the lore that have not appeared in any mount and blade game. Adding new land with a new faction beyond the known borders could be a potential for future dlc. But let them finish the game first 
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Where did I mention anything about norman knights? You said knight charges didn't exist back then, said they did. As early as 1081 by the Norman knights during the battle of Dyrrhachium.
And the Genoese crossbowmen also existed during the first crusade, which is from 1096–1099. I literally said:
Read carefully before you make a response lol...
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I know this is very general advice, but still: People on the internet will always internet first. I also doubt people actually HATE you here for your beliefs, at most really forums just make people more exaggerated in whatever they're espousing than they'd be in real life.
Regardless, I'd look forward to such a faction, would be yet another plan to see and explore.
Ah sorry, I thought you said something else. There are a lot of other great african kingdoms with majority of black people that they could use.
Although I have to disagree with the discrimination part. Al-Idrisi, for instance, has some nasty quotes on black people.
BattanianDruid
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I can't for the life of me fathom why there's so much argument here. If Taleworlds can pull the Celts through time and space and plop them down in an era in which they never had a sovereign nation there's no reason they couldn't also fudge the geography of this wholly fictional world a bit to allow some African kingdom to share a border with the Aserai.
Similarly this is a historically inspired fictional sandbox style game. In real history the Celts didn't conquer all of Europe and build a massive empire but that is absolutely a thing you can do in the game. Similarly just because there wasn't a massive invasion from Mali or Songhai into Europe in history doesn't mean that option should be off-limits within the game world. It isn't like such a thing was technologically impossible like say, an invasion from Mesoamerica. If history had gone differently it is entirely plausible that an African nation might have sailed north and interacted more with Medieval Europe.
As long as the faction reflects the real world culture and militaries of these ancient nations (not tribes, nations) and remain faithful to the general time period it takes place in I see no reason to exclude it.
And on top of that it'd be something unique. The OP is right. We don't see African nations in fiction nearly as often as we probably should. Part of why I was excited about Battania is because as someone of Celtic descent I also don't see my ancestors portrayed all that much in pop culture in comparison to Medieval France, Britain, or Germany. It is entirely reasonable to want to see one's rich cultural heritage demonstrated within a game world every once in a while.
Of course it would have to come as DLC later on. I don't think anyone here has asked that they stop working on getting the core game up and running to add more factions. But a new faction as DLC is entirely possible and even something that is heavily discussed in other threads on this forum as we speak.
Similarly this is a historically inspired fictional sandbox style game. In real history the Celts didn't conquer all of Europe and build a massive empire but that is absolutely a thing you can do in the game. Similarly just because there wasn't a massive invasion from Mali or Songhai into Europe in history doesn't mean that option should be off-limits within the game world. It isn't like such a thing was technologically impossible like say, an invasion from Mesoamerica. If history had gone differently it is entirely plausible that an African nation might have sailed north and interacted more with Medieval Europe.
As long as the faction reflects the real world culture and militaries of these ancient nations (not tribes, nations) and remain faithful to the general time period it takes place in I see no reason to exclude it.
And on top of that it'd be something unique. The OP is right. We don't see African nations in fiction nearly as often as we probably should. Part of why I was excited about Battania is because as someone of Celtic descent I also don't see my ancestors portrayed all that much in pop culture in comparison to Medieval France, Britain, or Germany. It is entirely reasonable to want to see one's rich cultural heritage demonstrated within a game world every once in a while.
Of course it would have to come as DLC later on. I don't think anyone here has asked that they stop working on getting the core game up and running to add more factions. But a new faction as DLC is entirely possible and even something that is heavily discussed in other threads on this forum as we speak.
No meant like they didnt discern africans from eachother. Im sure they were discriminatory
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Now gaslighting. You didn't say anything about norman knights, you responded to a reply that I made to someone else. Gotta say ggwp. Your troll game is good. You were looking for a reaction and you got one. But it's over now.
So after not beeing able to sleep for 3 hours I come back to 17 pages of this, lol.
And seeing as Calradia is a representation of major factions from Europe's history where they are all co-excisting they kinda dont belong to the list of factions that are present. Noone is saying that someting akin to Africa cant be a faction in Calradia, they are just pointing out that it would be misplaced. As well as the other fact that they arent in the game yet so are unlikely to get added now.
@Charlemagne sucks to hear about your history classes mate. I can appreciate that you want to see some representation when you explain it. But the problem with our global society nowadays is that some words get....stained. Representation is one of those words because it gets co-opted by people to further their agenda. Thats why people call you an SJW. They see certain words beeing used and probably got into 1 to many bad arguments with people that they dident like.
Im all for the inclusion of more factions but as DLC, adding factions now would be to much of a distraction for the dev team. Lets see them make Bannerlord an amazing game and then modders or future DLC can build ontop of that!
Yeah I saw you post that like a dozen times and imsomnia was keeping me awake anyway so I have taken a looksy. They had no significant presence in EUROPE. Which is what people are getting at. Noone is denying (I think) that Africa dident have big and influencual empires. On Africa they were inmense powerhouses. They werent however influencual in Europe.
And seeing as Calradia is a representation of major factions from Europe's history where they are all co-excisting they kinda dont belong to the list of factions that are present. Noone is saying that someting akin to Africa cant be a faction in Calradia, they are just pointing out that it would be misplaced. As well as the other fact that they arent in the game yet so are unlikely to get added now.
@Charlemagne sucks to hear about your history classes mate. I can appreciate that you want to see some representation when you explain it. But the problem with our global society nowadays is that some words get....stained. Representation is one of those words because it gets co-opted by people to further their agenda. Thats why people call you an SJW. They see certain words beeing used and probably got into 1 to many bad arguments with people that they dident like.
Im all for the inclusion of more factions but as DLC, adding factions now would be to much of a distraction for the dev team. Lets see them make Bannerlord an amazing game and then modders or future DLC can build ontop of that!
duchuy613
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A reply in which you said norman knights didn't charge, but they did. And I pointed that out. Now you're just trying to change the subject. But sure, whatever float your boat.
I think it would be a great idea the problem is the terrain and geography of sub Saharan Africa made the European medieval advances in armor and metallurgy unnecessary so they never had to develop the sophisticated armor and weaponry of Europeans. A battle between any African empire at this time and the Europeans at this time would be a slaughter of Africans if it’s fought in Europe and would be a slaughter of Europeans if it’s fought in Africa due to the climate and terrain. If they make the troops properly they’d be welcome, a lot of lightly armored spear infantry with javelins and high athleticism could be good units in wooded areas but on the plain it’s a slaughter. Also there’s records of those empires (Mali, Ghana, Songhai) having female regiments so that could also be a neat addition.
Thank you. No i am no sjw, i dont have any agenda, I just didnt know what other word to use. That is a nasty word though you are right. Is it better to say present?So after not beeing able to sleep for 3 hours I come back to 17 pages of this, lol.
Yeah I saw you post that like a dozen times and imsomnia was keeping me awake anyway so I have taken a looksy. They had no significant presence in EUROPE. Which is what people are getting at. Noone is denying (I think) that Africa dident have big and influencual empires. On Africa they were inmense powerhouses. They werent however influencual in Europe.
And seeing as Calradia is a representation of major factions from Europe's history where they are all co-excisting they kinda dont belong to the list of factions that are present. Noone is saying that someting akin to Africa cant be a faction in Calradia, they are just pointing out that it would be misplaced. As well as the other fact that they arent in the game yet so are unlikely to get added now.
@Charlemagne sucks to hear about your history classes mate. I can appreciate that you want to see some representation when you explain it. But the problem with our global society nowadays is that some words get....stained. Representation is one of those words because it gets co-opted by people to further their agenda. Thats why people call you an SJW. They see certain words beeing used and probably got into 1 to many bad arguments with people that they dident like.
Im all for the inclusion of more factions but as DLC, adding factions now would be to much of a distraction for the dev team. Lets see them make Bannerlord an amazing game and then modders or future DLC can build ontop of that!
That would be amazing. I want specific light, faster units due to the lack of horses and style of hunting. Also I didnt know about female regiments thats really cool.
agreed
Honestly im not sure what would be a better way to word it. If you just look at the words you used then everything is fine. You explain just fine what your post is about. But once an ethnicity or gender is added to 'representation' then generally all hell breaks loose. Its a sociatal thing nowadays and the well has been thoroughly poisened.
Back on topic though. Arent any of the minor factions ethnic? I must admit I havent looked to far into those...
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