Black African Faction

[SpectreSC]

That part is the Phoenician colonization of Africa.

This, Muslims didn't make Carthage, Phoenicians did.

just is still different from mostly, and "we're done here" still sounds absolutely silly and ridiculous

You still missed the point so it's no big deal to me, boss. And I'm sorry if I have offended your delicate sensibilities. Be on your way now.

 

[BlackRainZ]

That part is the Phoenician colonization of Africa.

I know, but I find Carthage interesting heh.

 

[R4MPZY]

I just believe that medieval should not be confined to just europe. Thank you that is all

Because the Aserai and Khuzaits are obviously european based.

 

[Charlemagne]

I would prefer a Carthage inspired faction than Mali honestly. People always bring up the European colonization of Africa, but what about the Arabic/Muslim colonization of Africa? Africa has a history before that.

Yes. Arabs assimilated more so than colonized, ofc there was colonization but there is everywhere in the world. But because of the Muslim diaspora in africa, i believe that makes the Africans integral to the medieval world.

 

[Draco Wrath]

He knows that @SpectreSC, at least from what I interpret from his post. The entire world is a history of colonization. Go back 50,000 years, its the same story.

 

[BlackRainZ]

This, Muslims didn't make Carthage, Phoenicians did.

I never said they did. I said BEFORE the muslims/arabs colonized Africa that there was a previous history.

 

[Charlemagne]

Because the Aserai and Khuzaits are obviously european based.

EXACTLY so why cant africans be in the game if asians and arabs can! Thank you

 

[R4MPZY]

EXACTLY so why cant africans be in the game if asians and arabs can! Thank you

Because they have been in M&B since the beginning ?

 

[Chad Thunderchicken]

The arms and armour are most definitely not 600-1100. Not even remotely. Not one single faction is historically accurate for any time period where they all existed together. They have improved the tech of some factions. Celts & Vikings. Downgraded the tech of others. There's no cannons or basic firearms which existed at the same time as heavy plate. Lamellar armour is mostly fantasy unless you go back to something like ancient Persia. Leather armour is fantasy There really is no valid argument for historicity when we have so many anachronisms.

The map is big enough..

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Lol lamellar was not fantasy and existed well into the 1400s and the weapons are realistic enough to the time period it is set in, with a few exceptions like vlandian full face helmets and mamluke armor.

 

[Draco Wrath]

They can. Argument over.

No one ever said they couldn't.

They just aren't.

They could be.

But they aren't.

 

[SpectreSC]

I never said they did. I said BEFORE the muslims/arabs colonized Africa that there was a previous history.

Seems a little disingenuous to claim this when your exact sentence contains Carthage, Muslims/Arabs and Europeans all in the same context. But alright.

 

[BlackRainZ]

Yes. Arabs assimilated more so than colonized, ofc there was colonization but there is everywhere in the world. But because of the Muslim diaspora in africa, i believe that makes the Africans integral to the medieval world.

I disagree, they completely obliterated the culture that was there beforehand. This is not assimilation. They forced the people there to follow their culture, language, religion, etc.

 

[Charlemagne]

Because the Aserai and Khuzaits are obviously european based.

Also He original said africa was not involved in medieval europe and I said that history wasnt confined to europe, so you agree with me?

 

[Gnostic_Monk]

Also. Let's be fair here. One of the reasons we know so much about the Romans and Greeks for example is because they, as a group of people, held record keeping in some esteem and as a result we know the difference between say, Macedon and Sparta, because their records, military organization and cultures have some variation in them. Certian people after the fall of Rome had enough reverence for their culture and as a result kept as many records as they could about what made Rome a superpower. Unfortunately many other cultures did not write down as many records if any at all. Even still the ones that did write a comprehensive amount of things down don't usually get the same amount of reverence from their conquerors and many of those records were lost to looting. I would like to point out as well that much of what we know about the Celts, early Germans, Scythians, ect come to us from Greek, Roman, Persian and to a lesser extent early Norse historians/writers as well as archeological evidence. Many European cultures of the time wrote very little themselves. Most had no form of written word and imported their written language from others. This is why those distinctions exist is because they are attested and referred to by multiple sources. There are many if not more African tribes as well. There's just not as many records that help differentiate them for historians to go through. As a result things get muddled.

 

[BlackRainZ]

Seems a little disingenuous to claim this when your exact sentence contains Carthage, Muslims/Arabs and Europeans all in the same context. But alright.

You clearly didn't get what I said. I said I was more interested in Carthage. I then made a different point, because previously people kept saying "European colonization of" etc. But then this is the internet so sometimes things aren't that clear if not carefully explained and when in a rush to post.

 

[Charlemagne]

I disagree, they completely obliterated the culture that was there beforehand. This is not assimilation. They forced the people there to follow their culture, language, religion, etc.

Several African emperors, such as the emperor of Aksum were free to choose what ever religion they wanted. Arabians cared more for the economic aspect of things rather than the land inself.

 

[Depressinho]

Also. Let's be fair here. One of the reasons we know so much about the Romans and Greeks for example is because they, as a group of people, held record keeping in some esteem and as a result. We know the difference between say Macedon and Sparta because their records, military organization and cultures have some variation in them. Certian people after the fall of Rome had enough reverence for their culture and as a result kept as many records as they could about what made Rome a superpower. Unfortunately many other cultures did not write down as many records if any at all. Even still the ones that did write a comprehensive amount of things down don't usually get the same amount of reverence from their conquerors and many of those records were lost to looting. I would like to point out as well that much of what we know about the Celts, early Germans, Scythians, ect come to use from Greek, Roman, Persian and to a lesser extent early Norse historians/writers as well as archeological evidence. Many European cultures of the time wrote very little themselves. Most had no form of written word and imported their written language from others. This is why those distinctions exist is because they are attested and referred to by multiple sources. There are many if not more African tribes as well. There's just not as many records that help differentiate them for historians to go through. As a result things get muddled.

well yeah but i guess we'd know if the longbow regiment in agincourt was made up of black people...

 

[SpectreSC]

You clearly didn't get what I said. I said I was more interested in Carthage. I then made a different point, because previously people kept saying "European colonization of" etc. But then this is the internet so sometimes things aren't that clear if not carefully explained and when in a rush to post.

This is true and thankfully the other person you were talking to also @ me and pointed this out, so apologies

 

[Draco Wrath]

I think part of the evidence of being a successful "superpower" in antiquity's terms would necessitate being able to make and maintain a system of record keeping. Otherwise they obviously weren't a major power to begin with.

 

[Charlemagne]

well yeah but i guess we'd know if the longbow regiment in agincourt was made up of black people...

It wasnt made up of Mongols, youre point being? I say if the Arabs and Asians are involved, then Africa is unavoidably also involved