SP Sci-Fi "Bitter Earth" (Mod is dead... p.160 )

[Worbah]

So, are you using any of the item's made so far?

 

[Great_Duke]

So, are you using any of the item's made so far?

probably. Janus wants to check with Jik first.

EDIT:

you meant models from the first AOA right?

 

[Worbah]

yeah, we had a whole lotta melee weapons and such. a few suits of armor too, IIRC.

 

[bryce777]

Yeah, I really like that idea.  If we do early eighties the day of the appocalypse should be the release of the first boy george album, or something like that.

I guess we can call them ragers as a general term and have a few subgroups.  I figure people will be pretty backwards after 120 years of chaos, so 'folky' is probably good. Murdlins might do ok for one of the subtypes.

hehe...there should be a "mullets" hair style 

i guess ragers will do for know. that's until we can fin a "catchier" name.

  EDIT:

Yeah, I really like that idea.  If we do early eighties the day of the appocalypse should be the release of the first boy george album, or something like that.

yeah. that's an excellent reason for the russians for throwing nukes in america 

EDIT # 2:
what about merchandise?and consummables? a few sugestions:

"Fried Cuckroaches": Yes, they survived the apocalypse. for your pleasure! hummm! tastes like home! and brings you wonderfull  childhood memories off growing up in the wastelands.
"Lizard Jerky": excellent for those roaming the wastes. the extra protein keeps you sharp
"Salty Rat": commonly found in towns
"Cactus soup": bitter-sweet
"Vulture Salami": noble meat

merchandise:

"Clear, Unpolluted Water" : very valuable merchandise. the rich pay high for not having toxins in their water.
"Methane and alcohol" : for the enrgy in the towns, refineries and factories.it has value
"Moonshine": there are a lot of bars around!
"Pre-war booze": valuable. the rich love it.
"Vynil Records":the wastelands is a musical place.
"Scrap Metal and assorted junk"rime Material

This is good stufff.  I think that any vehicles should also run on moonshine.  It's easier to make than distilled alcohol and can be used in engines.

Vinyl records are a good touch, too.

Giant rats raised as cattle would be pretty cool.  What do you think?

 

[Great_Duke]

This is good stufff.  I think that any vehicles should also run on moonshine.  It's easier to make than distilled alcohol and can be used in engines.

Vinyl records are a good touch, too.

Giant rats raised as cattle would be pretty cool.  What do you think?

I personally don't like "mutation by radiation" stuff.but what a rat farm with normal rats? that would be a nice touch a nice touch

Stoned_Dude: I sugest you keep your hands from modelling the following stuff, as we may have access to it depending on Janus permission. I don't want to waste your work on something we already have  :

bat (1h/2h)
bat w/ spikes (1h/2h)
brick bat (2h)

9 iron(1h)
hockey stick(pole)?

combat knife(1h/no block)

pipe short(1h)
pipe long (pole)
pipe knife (pole/spear)

crowbar (1h)

machete (1h)

hammer(1h)
sledge(1h)
sledge big(2h)

wood stick (1h)

monkey wrench (1h)

parking meter (2h)
double parking meter (2h)
parking sign (2h)

brick (thrown)
short spear (thrown)


Head Gear:
toque w/ goggles
toque w/ goalie mask (being revised)
pot helmet (an actual pot with a siv face guard... kind of corny looking)
hard hat
fire hat
football helmet
hockey helmet
welder's helmet
swat/army helmet
steel virsor (makeshift, looks futuristic...)

Shields
riot shield*
stop sign*
trash lid*

Armor
long coat (bare, light, med, heavy)*
jacket (bare, light, med)*

 

[bryce777]

What, no giant mushroom forests?

next you will tell me the nazis had NOTHING to do with world war three!!!

Which brings up a good point.  The history does not have to be the same as our history.  It could easily be a world where the nazis won world war II by dropping the bomb on London in 1941 and then there was a cold war between the US and Germany for several decades before the cold wr got hot.

Or something else.  Point being, we can make up an alternat history if we like. 

 

[Great_Duke]

What, no giant mushroom forests?

next you will tell me the nazis had NOTHING to do with world war three!!!

Which brings up a good point.  The history does not have to be the same as our history.  It could easily be a world where the nazis won world war II by dropping the bomb on London in 1941 and then there was a cold war between the US and Germany for several decades before the cold wr got hot.

Or something else.  Point being, we can make up an alternat history if we like. 

heh, mutants like that are too falloutish. it's not that I "REALLY" hate the idea or anything. anyway, in real life radiation would only cause physical deformities( only in phetus or children i guess), cancer, and death at a certain level of intoxication.it wouldn't turn people into giant green freaks 

I don't think we really have to worry about a plot for before the apocalypse and the reasons why it happened. after all, if there was a risk of nuclear fallout, would the government warn its citizens?(probably but maybe not) what about a surprise attack? what about 120 years with no tv, newspaper and evrything? who would remember? so it really won't show up that much in-game. besides, nuclear fallout and bilogical weapons going wild in the early 80's is alternative enough. 

by the way, this "nazis conquered the world" scenario reminds of that 80's Rutger Hauer movie. interesting littel movie...

 

[jeansberg]

after all, if there was a risk of nuclear fallout, would the government warn its citizens?

How else would they make money on fallout shelters? 

 

[KON_Air]

Not the goverment, who builds fallout shelters will sell them to goverment and citizens who can afford them.

 

[Great_Duke]

exactly.hell, what if there are only a small amount of shelters. who do you think the powers that be would pick? general wheel of fortune tv whatching population? or your average rich and powerfull John(along with wife and kids)?  

 

[KON_Air]

Selective human breeding ftw.

 

[blades]

good developments. ideas are plucking nice!

working on some average rags for the poor town dweller. what post apocalypse without rags? we need some outfits for tribals and villagers off course. 

 

[bryce777]

Well, we don't need any right away, but some relics of bygone days might be interesting things to find.  I am hoping I can pop up conversations with triggers properly now.  It will make things suck a million times less.

As for evolution/mutation, well yes and no.  There is more to evolution than raw mutation, many would argue.  The pressure of environment is the most important factor.  You also have certain throwbacks in any geneset that can occur.  It might seem ridiculous for humans to evolve gills and webbed feet like in water world, but in reality it is more plausible than you might think.  With a large population and enough pressure, it is possible, especially with extra mutation thrown into the mix.  At some stages of development human babies actually have gills and webbed feet.  Likely, at one point all humans did.  There have been experiments that bear this out, as well.

If you eliminate all the mammals but rats, pretty soon you would have carnivore rats and rats that graze mostly on foliage and rats that act like rats as we know them.  Some would get smaller and some bigger, filling in all the vacancies in the ecology.

 

[bryce777]

Looking good.  Decent clothing is something really lacking in most mods.  Everyone wants silvery plate mail!

 

[Great_Duke]

Well, we don't need any right away, but some relics of bygone days might be interesting things to find.  I am hoping I can pop up conversations with triggers properly now.  It will make things suck a million times less.

As for evolution/mutation, well yes and no.  There is more to evolution than raw mutation, many would argue.  The pressure of environment is the most important factor.  You also have certain throwbacks in any geneset that can occur.  It might seem ridiculous for humans to evolve gills and webbed feet like in water world, but in reality it is more plausible than you might think.  With a large population and enough pressure, it is possible, especially with extra mutation thrown into the mix.  At some stages of development human babies actually have gills and webbed feet.  Likely, at one point all humans did.  There have been experiments that bear this out, as well.

If you eliminate all the mammals but rats, pretty soon you would have carnivore rats and rats that graze mostly on foliage and rats that act like rats as we know them.  Some would get smaller and some bigger, filling in all the vacancies in the ecology.

of course. but can rats multiply their size, by darwinian evolution in 120 years? conversation popped by triggers it's a must! humm...relics would be for tribals right? since towns live under a mockery of "civilization". one can only think what could be used as a relic....

nice rags 

 

[bryce777]

Well, we don't need any right away, but some relics of bygone days might be interesting things to find.  I am hoping I can pop up conversations with triggers properly now.  It will make things suck a million times less.

As for evolution/mutation, well yes and no.  There is more to evolution than raw mutation, many would argue.  The pressure of environment is the most important factor.  You also have certain throwbacks in any geneset that can occur.  It might seem ridiculous for humans to evolve gills and webbed feet like in water world, but in reality it is more plausible than you might think.  With a large population and enough pressure, it is possible, especially with extra mutation thrown into the mix.  At some stages of development human babies actually have gills and webbed feet.  Likely, at one point all humans did.  There have been experiments that bear this out, as well.

If you eliminate all the mammals but rats, pretty soon you would have carnivore rats and rats that graze mostly on foliage and rats that act like rats as we know them.  Some would get smaller and some bigger, filling in all the vacancies in the ecology.

of course. but can rats multiply their size, by darwinian evolution in 120 years? conversation popped by triggers it's a must! humm...relics would be for tribals right? since towns live under a mockery of "civilization". one can only think what could be used as a relic....

nice rags 

If you took a billion rats and killed off all but the largest and then did the same for about 200 generations, the results would probably be pretty shocking, especially with biological and nuclear materials strewn throughout the land.

As for relics, I meant basically finding information about the past I suppose.

 

[Great_Duke]

Well, we don't need any right away, but some relics of bygone days might be interesting things to find.  I am hoping I can pop up conversations with triggers properly now.  It will make things suck a million times less.

As for evolution/mutation, well yes and no.  There is more to evolution than raw mutation, many would argue.  The pressure of environment is the most important factor.  You also have certain throwbacks in any geneset that can occur.  It might seem ridiculous for humans to evolve gills and webbed feet like in water world, but in reality it is more plausible than you might think.  With a large population and enough pressure, it is possible, especially with extra mutation thrown into the mix.  At some stages of development human babies actually have gills and webbed feet.  Likely, at one point all humans did.  There have been experiments that bear this out, as well.

If you eliminate all the mammals but rats, pretty soon you would have carnivore rats and rats that graze mostly on foliage and rats that act like rats as we know them.  Some would get smaller and some bigger, filling in all the vacancies in the ecology.

of course. but can rats multiply their size, by darwinian evolution in 120 years? conversation popped by triggers it's a must! humm...relics would be for tribals right? since towns live under a mockery of "civilization". one can only think what could be used as a relic....

nice rags 

If you took a billion rats and killed off all but the largest and then did the same for about 200 generations, the results would probably be pretty shocking, especially with biological and nuclear materials strewn throughout the land.

As for relics, I meant basically finding information about the past I suppose.

heh, we could have giant carnivore rats roaming the wastes. sounds good yes  . we will have to wait until someone implements "monters"(non-humanoid that is) into battles. perhaps we could have tame,giant fat rats that are created like cattle for suplying meat. that would be unrealistic though.(humans "domesticating" rats wouldn't make them turn big or anything. it would actually make them remain the same right?).

relics then would be basicly one of the thing we got planned for the end of the main quest, won't it? you think we should have more?( Bryce, no spoilers posted here. if so, pm please)

 

[bryce777]

Well, we don't need any right away, but some relics of bygone days might be interesting things to find.  I am hoping I can pop up conversations with triggers properly now.  It will make things suck a million times less.

As for evolution/mutation, well yes and no.  There is more to evolution than raw mutation, many would argue.  The pressure of environment is the most important factor.  You also have certain throwbacks in any geneset that can occur.  It might seem ridiculous for humans to evolve gills and webbed feet like in water world, but in reality it is more plausible than you might think.  With a large population and enough pressure, it is possible, especially with extra mutation thrown into the mix.  At some stages of development human babies actually have gills and webbed feet.  Likely, at one point all humans did.  There have been experiments that bear this out, as well.

If you eliminate all the mammals but rats, pretty soon you would have carnivore rats and rats that graze mostly on foliage and rats that act like rats as we know them.  Some would get smaller and some bigger, filling in all the vacancies in the ecology.

of course. but can rats multiply their size, by darwinian evolution in 120 years? conversation popped by triggers it's a must! humm...relics would be for tribals right? since towns live under a mockery of "civilization". one can only think what could be used as a relic....

nice rags 

If you took a billion rats and killed off all but the largest and then did the same for about 200 generations, the results would probably be pretty shocking, especially with biological and nuclear materials strewn throughout the land.

As for relics, I meant basically finding information about the past I suppose.

heh, we could have giant carnivore rats roaming the wastes. sounds good yes  . we will have to wait until someone implements "monters"(non-humanoid that is) into battles. perhaps we could have tame,giant fat rats that are created like cattle for suplying meat. that would be unrealistic though.(humans "domesticating" rats wouldn't make them turn big or anything. it would actually make them remain the same right?).

relics then would be basicly one of the thing we got planned for the end of the main quest, won't it? you think we should have more?( Bryce, no spoilers posted here. if so, pm please)

We don't have to hash out every detail, just come up with a story arc, and I think that we have more than enough for me to get to work - though more brainstorming is always good.  I will think of more stuff and start making actual dialogs and such and get something to show you two, then we can have a new round of brainstorming and put more of it into action.


and as for domesticating - yeah, that in itself would not do it.  Well, not right away.  Look how much meatier chickens are today than just 50 years ago, though, and that is not all due to hormones!

We can keep it relatively mutant free, though.  I do agree that in general scifi exaggerates the sort of mutations that might occur.

 

[Great_Duke]

exactly. we have to really "organize" development. Me and Blade will take care of the bulk of the very large modelling/texturing need(with collaborations off course, we already got two contributors) while you and me finish planning the main plot scenarion and gameplay ideas. then we just need to start making the thing. in an organized way off course 

 

[stoned-dude]

darn, I've modelled a bat and pipes, all on the list....

uh well,