better bows? and how bout that riding archery?

[Hawk_002]

i was really bummed wen i bought the war bow, 34 damage. and after i had it, i was looking forward to a stronger beefyer bow! but i was extremly disapointed wen i coulndt find one, i found it really sad that you couldnt find a bow stronger! the crossbows are like 74 attack and higher, if im right, thats the highest attack in the game, which i revolt extremly! bows are a mans weapon, not some sissy crossbow! crossbows have a fixed attack ALWAYS! no if and or buts! but bows, bows should get stronger and change attack when you get stronger, in real life thats how it works! they should make bows as strong, or stronger then crossbows! its really sad how that works! i have trained my skill with a bow to the highest it can go, including weapon profenciancy! and wen i found out the war bow is the best... my heart was crushed, i hate having a bow that sucks! i need a powerful weapon that can take down dark nights and other in 1 hit mos tof the time!!!!



2ndly! i was looking at skills and becuase i am always on horse, i was more disapointed wen the riding archery skill that it reduced damage to increase accuracy!!! it should make it stronger! if it increases accuracy then the damage should go up! not down!

3rdly! i thnk we should be able to upgrade bows, like have a weapons upgrader, add mediaval sites to it, to increase accuracy, mediaval scopes 2 possibly? stronger bow string? reinforced bow wood? wood treatment? make it stronger, more accurate? some thing like that, but of course make it priced! and not sissy little 4000 or something but 40000 to make people really work for the good weapons!

 

[Skree]

Ehm... in fact, bow damage is amplified by skills/strenght. Crossbow's damage is not

 

[Balor]

While some of proposals made me , having better "high-quality" bows is a good thing. I suggest making a quest where you'll be awarded by one of the bows made by sultans of Ottoman empire. Due to some sort of custom, they had to have a profession that will keep them supplied even when they have all Empire's wealth at their disposal... rather noble, I'd say. And bowcraft is a noble job too... Bows, made by sultans were not simply ornate or prestigious - they were simply superb when it came to performance. Of course, you will have to be nigh superhuman to be able to draw them (well, that's how it is with all bows), but during archery contests people, using those bows, were able to hurl arrows for 1000 years. That's about 700 meters... Almost like a good rifle! And I heard it's not the record too.
So, I'd say, make that weapon have a damage of 40+, but str requirement of 20+.
But what I'm talking about, I'm sure Armagan, being Turkish, knows that quite well . Just find a photograph of one of those bows, and model it. That would be fine.
And for improving your bows... now, that's a sure . Scopes? . Get real, man, it’s not Diablo III we are talking about.
P.S.
On the other hand, a small improvement is in order - it would be nice to have damage based on distance travelled by an arrow or a bolt. The closer - the higher the damage, and vise versa.
P.P.S.
Skree is right. You can amplify your bow damage with str and Power draw skill. So, with a 30 STR, Power Draw at 10 and a good bow - you'll be able to outperform a sniper crossbow. Even without a bow I've mentioned above.

 

[Lothar]

hi

On the other hand, a small improvement is in order - it would be nice to have damage based on distance travelled by an arrow or a bolt. The closer - the higher the damage, and vise versa.

i think its allready this way!? i think armagan said anything about it, but i dont know in wich thread .

further i think since bows can be reloaded on horseback the damage should be ok if you get full "?power draw?" or whatever increases the bow damage

if you want more damage, take a crossbow, and get of your horse! crossbows have more range(a flater ?trajectory?), and more damage, but you cant reload tham on horseback!

i think ranged weapons are well done and balanced!

greetings

Ps. you said you want to take down a black knight with one shot? would you also like to be taken down by a 5man group of enemy archers with one shot? you cant aproach tham that way

 

[Balor]

Hence I suggested that such 'overpowered' bow should be unique.
And about range - hmm, for some reason, I've never saw a noticeable decrease in damage, therefore I came up with this suggestion. I guess I'll see and check... but I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

 

[Lothar]

hi

Hence I suggested that such 'overpowered' bow should be unique.

i agree!!! IF there is such a bow, than it should be unique! and really hard to get too!

but i think, not to forgett the other players! IF ther is such a overpowerd bow, than ther should also be a "overpowerd" crossbow/spear/sword/and so on...! also verry hard to find and get!

but i would leave the overpowerd stuff and change nothing at ranged weapons! so, no other weapon has to be changed, and the work can be focoused ?on/at? important things !

 

[Lothar]

hi

armagan wrote
In the next version I'll increase power-draw modifier to 15% and add a 2x multiplier to hits to the head. I am planning to add some special arrows with damage bonuses sometime. All together, these should make it possible to inflict decent amounts of damage...

i think this should do it for the damage...its enough

but i do not hope archery will get "standard" overpowerd in the next version...

greetings

 

[armagan]

Lothar:
That's a really old post. The next version mentioned there was probably 0.240 or something .

Balor:
Honestly, I didn't know that ottoman sultans made bows. That's one bit of info I can use sometime.

BTW, ranged damage is proportional to the relative velocity of the missile to the victim, and velocity in turn is affected by air friction in the game. Therefore missiles will inflict less damage with greater distance.

 

[Lothar]

hi

That's a really old post. The next version mentioned there was probably 0.240 or something

i should have looked up the date it was posted

BTW, ranged damage is proportional to the relative velocity of the missile to the victim, and velocity in turn is affected by air friction in the game. Therefore missiles will inflict less damage with greater distance.

hehe...i thought i read it somewhere!


EDITBalor

wich bows where capable of shooting 700m? that sounds verry strange? they must be "Man-sized" or bigger do that, so nothing for horse archery!

a english longbow with a average draw-wight of 80 to 110 pounds where capable of usefull fire up to 250 yards!(published at english Royal-Archer magazine). but 1000 yards..seems impossible?
also your arrow must lose its path in a extreme matter! you aim at a point(hard with 45° ?angle?) and the arrow goes down 100-150m to the left or right becouse of wind!

those bows cant be used in field! only for turniers with the goal to shoot a arrow as far away as possible, but i cant see real use in the fielt for a single man.




greetings

 

[Balor]

Well, I've never said that those bows were able to shoot for 700 meters and hit bullseye It's purely for 'range record'. And English long bows suck compared to Turkish bows, plain and simply. Armagan shoud be proud - they were among the best bows on Earth ever made.
And btw, some Turkish ambassador (who wasn't a best archer, or had a best bow out there) were able to shoot for like 500 yards during some sort of competition in England, causing a furore, cause old records were, like you mentioned, like 250-300 yards. It was said that none of best archers were able to draw his bow, when they tried!
And see here: http://www.centenaryarchers.gil.com.au/history.htm

1798 AD - The Sultan Selim, witnessed by the British Ambassador, shot an arrow 889 metres ( 972 yards ). A record not surpassed for nearly 200 years.

(note: looks like year is longer then 70 santimeters, like I thought. And I'm sure that record was beaten using one of those modern bows made of carbon-plastic and a string of kevlar, those that cost like a car )
And look here, while you are at it: http://www.mrfizzix.com/archery/bow.html
Robin Hood simply suck when you'll compare him with eastern archers... well, there is a lot of facts in Western history, that, while generally thought as being the best ever, were rather mediocre or even way worse compared to Eastern analogies, or was invented much later.
And about sultans making bows:
http://www.archery.metu.edu.tr/siteen/histta01.html

 

[Lothar]

hey cool material! i never thought that this where possible ! of course not accurate, but still its above 700m. w00t

cool site!

and for info; i think a yard is exactly 91cm = 0,91m.

greetings

 

[Mr 47]

Perhaps it would be possible to but differnt types of arrows? EX: Stone arrows that do less damage than, say, tempered glass arrows, which dont do as much against armour as steel arrows and so on.

 

[Nairagorn]

And like someone suggested earlier, sandbag arrows to knock people out Not sure how realistic it'd be, but they would be useful.

 

[Mechstra]

Not stone arrows, but I think there should be a distinction between broadhead arrows and bodkin arrows. Broadheads would be cheaper and more numerous in each bundle but bodkins would have a bonus against shields and higher damage.

 

[Balor]

Yea, I already proposed that. AP arrows (piercing damage), broadhead arrows (slashing damage) and blunt arrows - well, duh .
Easy to do (I think), and rather realistic.
And make them utilize different prefixes too. This way, you'll be hunting for good arrows too... more fun .

 

[Bigwig]

I don't know if this is already in or not, but would it be possible to limit mounted archery to the smaller bows? Longbows aren't really manueverable enough to be fired from horseback.

 

[Mad Larkin]

Yeah, that would be a good addition. Or if the long bows are usable, give them a bit of penalty.
Would make foot archery a bit more appealing...

 

[Whitmire]

Longbows aren't really manueverable enough to be fired from horseback.

That's true. As well as the fact that it would take a giant of a man to be able to draw that bow from any but an optimal position with his feet planted firmly to the ground. Longbows have a very heavy pull.

 

[Balor]

Well, cause English archers were wimps comparing to eastern ones . And had worse bows too. Composite double-curved bows are easier to draw, smaller and are more powerful.

 

[armagan]

Uhm... You shouldn't do injustice to English (and Welsh) archers. Their bows were indeed technologically inferior to eastern ones. But they were very elite troops and would easily defeat a similar sized group of say, napoleonic muskeeters.

Also let me note that what determines an arrow's power at impact is its momentum, which is defined as mass times velocity. Therefore, if you want to make a bow twice stronger, you can either make its missile fly twice faster (incredibly difficult to do) or make it twice heavier (much easier). It's the same thing. So, while longbows did not shoot extremely fast missiles, their arrows were indeed quite heavy, and thus they were actually more powerful than shorter composite bows used in the east.