Beta Patch Notes v1.1.0

[_DTG_]

Imho the profit of workshops should be tied to the prosperity of the town, but should never be in a "zero" profit state.

Yeah more prosperity - more profit is good idea and very simple to implement.
It seems to me that TW attempted to make workshops depend on in-game market conditions, but it's very complicated and hence more error prone, buggy.
Fastest thing to fix the issue is just using doing [daily base income] multiplied by [town prosperity]. Yeah this will be less realistic, but at least would worked properly and less confusing.

IMHO, for the most players - the economic aspect of the game is less important. People who much into economic stuff usually play Tycoon-style games.

 

[_DTG_]

Are we ever gonna get character switching like gta?

There is mod called Player Switch or Player Switcher, just google it.

 

[JunKeteer]

Yeah more prosperity - more profit is good idea and very simple to implement.
It seems to me that TW attempted to make workshops depend on in-game market conditions, but it's very complicated and hence more error prone, buggy.
Fastest thing to fix the issue is just using doing [daily base income] multiplied by [town prosperity]. Yeah this will be less realistic, but at least would worked properly and less confusing.

Issues: daily tick, instant supply/demand fluctuations and updates, no actual...expenditure of most of the commodities that are being traded (they just decay or something), etc...Game and TW can't do economy well enough to have it work like you would imagine it would impact a game map for an actual 'trade-like' game. I don't even think villagers/caravans really impact the transfer of goods entirely (just a minor impact - as things still 'spawn' in willy-nilly).

The current initial capital to get the first workshop is just an arbitrary number to 'delay' the ease of the player getting passive income too quickly (by T1 even)...Yet they now implemented the alleyways which sort of throws that intention out the window.

IMHO, for the most players - the economic aspect of the game is less important. People who much into economic stuff usually play Tycoon-style games.

Yep, this game is so far removed from any decent 'economy' focused/4X sort of game. It's just a mode of passive income - there's no benefit to picking a particular workshop over another (just min/max for biggest numbers). You might as well just remove it entirely for party wages - and just pivot it more heavily towards food/horses/moral/etc...as the 'costs' in maintaining an army.

 

[KaoZ]

Beta v1.1.0​

Singleplayer​

Crashes

• Fixed a crash that occurred when equipping an incorrectly specified banner item called campaign_banner_small.
• Fixed a siege crash that was caused by an AI formation not being positioned correctly.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when many units died simultaneously (possibly with the kill-all cheat)
• Fixed a crash that was caused by an AI general being assigned before the Order of Battle phase.
• Fixed a keep battle crash that occurred when reinforcement deployment planning was done incorrectly.
• Fixed a siege crash that occurred when the defenders would open the gates to meet the attackers.
• Fixed a crash that occurred during the Order of Battle phase when a mounted companion was assigned to lead an empty formation and then ordered to dismount.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when changing the governor of a town.
• Fixed a crash that occurred after selecting an heir.
• Fixed a crash that occurred after disbanding an army from the Kingdom screen.
• Fixed an issue that allowed settlements to be entered while under siege, causing crashes.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when dying from fall damage inside a castle keep.
• Fixed a crash that occurred after completing a battle.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when trying to enter the keep after a siege battle.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when entering a town while being taken captive.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when trying to engage a party that had no troops.
• Fixed a console-specific crash that occurred when there was an empty tooltip on the Clan or Kingdom screens.
• Fixed a crash that occurred in the save/load menu.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when sallying out from a neutral settlement that is under siege.
• Fixed a crash that occurred in the siege menu.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when taking the Spy Party quest from a hero in an army.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when assigning captains to formations during combat.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when player characters changed while leading an army.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when a player assisted a lord in battle while having an active vassalage offer from that lord.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when a clan left its kingdom.
• Fixed a crash that occurred in the board game, Seega, when the player or the opponent won by forming a barrier.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when a besieger party or army encountered a settlement.
• Improved party AI calculations for siege scores for settlements that had a besieger and got attacked by a party.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when additional parties from different factions joined a siege as attackers and the diplomatic state of any attacker faction and besieger faction changed.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when a non-attached army member joined a map event while being attached to the army at the same time.
• Fixed a crash that occurred after completing the Army of Poachers quest with persuasion.
• Fixed a crash that was caused by switching menus while there was an ongoing encounter.
• Fixed a crash that was caused by the Merchant Caravan quest caravan joining a siege.
• Fixed a crash that occurred while starting a new campaign or loading an existing one. (This may resolve crashes even after complete cleanup/reinstalling for some players.)
• Fixed a crash that occurred because of bandit parties.
• Fixed a party visuals-related crash that occurred while loading the game.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when a besieger party was destroyed.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when attempting to leave a faction while being in an army with the faction leader.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when attempting to load a save while a voiceover file was still playing.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when clicking on a marriage offer notification.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when a hero that had been sent to solve an issue was wounded in the process.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when making peace during a siege.
• Fixed a crash in the main storyline that occurred when the conspiracy was activated.

Save & Load

• Optimised the save system to reduce the total size of the save file.
• Save file sizes now increase linearly. (They used to double over time.)
• Minor improvement to save time.
• Fixed an issue for old save files that have clans with no leaders.

Localisation

• Minor text fixes and localisation updates.

Art

• Added a horse trader to the Khuzait town (b) scene.
• Sturgia town (g) siege layer improvements.
• Vlandia castle (c) siege layer improvements.
• Empire town (l) siege layer improvements.
• Fixed an issue that caused siege tower orientation to be broken in some locations of Empire town (f).
• Three scenes: Sanala, Ataconia Castle and Mecalovea Castle were added to custom battle scenes.
• Updated arena spectator characters. They are now normal agents instead of meshes and they have new animations.
• Improved various materials.
• Added new Empire plate vest armour
• Added new Khuzait heavy armour
• Fixed a bug that contributed to problems with gaps between the handle and blade of crafted weapons.
• Fixed the issue of ballista covers appearing on mangonels at Varnovapol.
• Fixed an issue that caused agents to fall through and get stuck in walls at Epicrotea.
• Minor scene fixes to Jaculan.
• Fixed an issue that caused troops to spawn in buildings at Varcheg.
• Fixed missing textures of Old Fur Coat.
• Male characters can now wear female clothing without clipping issues.

Achievements

• Fixed issues with the "What have the Romans ever done for us", “This is our land” and “Explorer” achievements.

Audio

• Fixed a bug that caused the campaign map music to continue on into hideout battles.
• Added missing voiceovers for Aserai, Khuzait and Sturgia.

UI
Changes

• Party Screen Troop Sorting:
  • Players can now sort both rosters in the party screen by troop Type, Name, Count and Tier.
  • The last selected sort type is remembered and applied on every party screen initialisation.
  • By default, heroes are grouped together at the top of the roster.
  • This change also includes a troop-type rundown added to the party screen. Players now can see how many Infantry, Archers, Cavalry and Horse Archers they have at a glance.
• Implemented a Fog of War feature for heroes:
  • Players now need to meet heroes to unlock some of their critical information.
  • Skills, traits, family, and owned settlements information are hidden until you meet that hero.
  • This change affects tooltips, portraits and information shown in the encyclopaedia.
• Added new tutorials to help new players:
  • Includes tutorials for upgrading troops, choosing perks, distributing attribute and focus points, getting companions, ransoming prisoners, civilian equipment, party speed, army cohesion, creating an army, order of battle, crafting and crafting orders, banner item in the inventory, crime, assigning roles in the clan screen, and raiding villages.
  • Also improved some of the existing tutorial trigger conditions and texts.
• Added a tooltip to the disabled "leave kingdom" button in the Kingdom screen while in an army.
• Improved rotation in the character creation and weapon smithy screens for gamepads.
• Added the ability to open the encyclopaedia from the upgrade and recruit pop-ups in the Party screen.
• Added a new map event icon on settlement nameplates to show the sally out stage.

Fixes

• Fixed a bug that caused banner effects to show incorrect values in tooltips.
• Fixed a bug that caused the "tournament active" icon to stay on the settlement nameplate after a tournament was cancelled.
• Fixed a bug that caused the scoreboard to open with the TAB key while in photo mode.
• Fixed a bug that could lead to a crash if a decision was cancelled before the voting stage started.
• Fixed a bug that caused formation indicators to show incorrect positions after issuing an order in Order of Battle.
• Fixed a bug that caused the Order of Battle screen to work incorrectly after starting the battle while the order UI was active.

Battles and Sieges

• Fixed preview issues with square and circle formations.
• Improvements to prevent troops from falling from castle walls due to overcrowding when teleporting during the Order of Battle phase.
• Fixed an issue that caused reinforcement troops to spawn on top of their formations when they could not find a valid spawn position. They'll now spawn on deployment positions specified in the scene.
• Fixed troop transfers between formations that were applied due to a previously saved battle configuration triggering player order animation and sound effects.
• Fixed an issue that prevented captains from spawning with their formations when a previously saved battle configuration was loaded during deployment.
• Fixed an issue which caused formation deployment positions to be placed on positions without an underlying navmesh.
• Fixed various issues with the Order of Battle deployment phase when more than two forces participate in a battle.
• Fixed an issue with the charge order teleporting all troops to a single position during the Order of Battle phase. Formations that are given a charge order will now stay put and will charge the enemy once the mission starts.
• Fixed a problem that could cause attacker AI in siege to stall due to a failed transfer operation.
• Logic was added to make nearby formations take control of siege weapons in the event that they are closer than the reinforcements from the initial formation.
• Fixed an issue with large formations that caused siege attacker AI to hesitate when deciding to attack enemies or control the walls.
• Fixed an issue with the circle formation that caused range units to position themselves outside of the protected centre.
• Fixed an issue that caused ranged units to moonwalk towards siege engines while being locked onto a distant target.
• Fixed an issue that caused defending agents on top of walls to try climbing down ladders to fight attackers and occasionally fall off due to this.
• Fixed a bug in power calculation that caused panicked and fleeing agents to be omitted from the calculation as if they never existed. This caused the defending side to not recognise that they were winning because of the calculation error and as a result, they would not counterattack even after most of the enemy started fleeing.
• Fixed an issue with the charge order in sieges that would cause agents to get stuck and walk into walls when no path to the enemy existed. This was due to a bug that prevented the charge order from being correctly modified to raise ladders, and break or open gates.
• Fixed an issue with some scenes where the navigation mesh used for the breached state of walls would remain active, causing agents to move incorrectly.
• Fixed a bug in fetching the missile range of individual agents that caused ranged formations that were attempting to skirmish to move too close to the enemy before stopping to shoot.
• Fixed an AI calculation error caused by siege towers that had finished their movement being omitted from calculations to estimate the enemy assault potential from the side it approached from.
• Fixed an issue that caused AI-controlled ranged siege engines to target enemy engines that had already been destroyed.
• Fixed an issue that caused AI agents to immediately return to their formation position after walking up to and opening the siege tower.
• Fixed an issue that caused AI archer to attempt to use positions with no cover (merlons were destroyed).
• Newly spawned reinforcement troops will now prioritise empty formations if they cannot find a suitable formation that matches their troop class. When this happens the empty formation will auto-switch to AI control (delegate order).
• Defender agents in most scenes would be too late to meet enemies attacking over ladders or towers due to their waiting position being too far away. Logic was added to anticipate the enemy being close to attacking to compensate for this situation.
• The attacking side in sieges now uses only one of the available lanes if their numbers are too few.
• Added banner effects to Custom Battle. Custom Battle commanders will now have default banners.
• Implemented the sally out ambush mission. Players can now initiate this mission to destroy the besieger AI's siege engines.

Character Development System

• Added a new settlement near Lageta named "The Retreat" in which the player can approach a new NPC "The Hermit" and decide to retire from their current campaign either moving on with one of their heirs or concluding their journey completely.
• Added a new window where players can see their progress through their campaign at the end of it, presenting many stats such as their kill count, play time, number of troops recruited etc. Players can reach this window; when their clan is destroyed, they decide to retire or when they complete the main storyline.
• Changed the description of the Partners in Crime perk as it could be misleading.
• Perk Overhaul
  • All perk descriptions have been rewritten to improve clarity.
  • Some perks saw improvements to functionality and some had minor tweaks for balance and clarity(Swift Strike, Fleet of Foot, Arrow Deflection, Keep at Bay, Drills, Merry Men, Well Prepared, Throwing Competitions, Strong Arms, Tactical Mastery, Fleet Footed, Forgivable Grievances, Make a Difference, Lead by Example, Trusted Commander, Talent Magnet, Forced Labor, Metallurgist).
  • 15+ perks saw name changes.
  • Trade tree saw bigger changes:
    • Reordered some perk effects to make it so that the early game benefiting perks can be unlocked earlier.
    • Changed the primary perk effect of the “Silver Tongue” perk.
    • Skill descriptions have been rewritten for clarity.
    • Changed how the “effect type” is shown on the perk description tooltip.
• Fixed a bug that prevented XP gains during multiple mission fights.

Clan and Party

• Fixed a bug that prevented wanderers from spawning until the next game load after dismissing a companion.
• Fixed a problem that was causing some parties to go in and out to a village if they are willing to stay in the village, causing their visual to be enabled and disabled and making them non-interactable.
• Fixed a bug that was causing the wage limit to be unlimited after setting it to 2000 in the Clan screen.
• Fixed a bug that teleported governors to multiple settlements.
• Alley mechanics have been redesigned and reimplemented. From now on, players will be able to claim alleys after they clear one. They can do so by assigning a clan member who has suitable traits and roguery skills.
  • Player-owned alleys will provide gold and bandit troops for the player but also generate some crime rating.
  • Alleys will be attacked by neighbouring gang leaders, and players will have to respond to those attacks in order to keep the alley.

Armies

• Fixed an exploit that allowed player army leaders to leave besieged settlements without consequences by disbanding their army.
• The AI of parties that are targeting a siege event will be reset when the siege event ends. This fixes the double siege event problem in the same settlement.
• Fixed a bug that was causing army influence to be -2000000
• Fixed a bug that could disable siege menu buttons due to the player not being recognised as the siege leader.
• Fixed a menu text bug that occurred when a higher rank lord joined the player's siege event.
• Fixed a bug that was causing the player’s siege to advance to the keep battle even if the player retreated in the mission.
• Fixed a bug that gave prisoners to militia parties after sallying out which caused some prisoner heroes to not be found in settlements.
• Fixed a bug that prevented attackers from reconsidering multiple siege battle missions after they fled from the battle mission when the player was defending.
• The game will now pause and a menu text and menu button conditions will refresh after the siege leader party leaves the map event.
• Fixed an issue with influence cost calculations of siege aftermath options.
• The player's army will now disband when there is no other party in the army except the player.
• Factions will not create armies if they don't have any enemy that has at least one settlement.
• Renown and influence bonuses were rebalanced for multiple battle missions. (Multiple battle missions means when the battle size and wave count for the battle is low and the battle size is higher than those--multiple missions are opened for that battle.)
• Troop selection was added for keep battles.
• (For modding: You can now initialise battle simulation with selected troops.)
• The village raid system has been reworked. Instead of rewarding just through the inventory and recruitment pool of the village, village raids now primarily rely on the amount of hearth damage done to the village during the raid.
  • Rewards come in three categories - Denar which makes a small part of the loot, various everyday goods and the main production of the village.
  • The combined value of the loot is usually higher than f.e. attacking caravans but the weight can be rather high - especially while raiding villages that produce low-value but a high volume of goods like hardwood and grain. We wanted to increase the viability of raiding but if done for commercial gain we want players to return to towns to sell loot off. This way, players can either raid a village, maybe two, and leave the front lines to make money, or choose to go on a raiding spree for strategic reasons and forgo the income.
  • Recovery time for villages has also increased.
  • Forcing supplies and recruits are now also based on village hearths.
  • After being forced to give supplies or recruits a village will generate less loot through raiding for a while as villagers are alert.
  • If a raid is completed successfully, it does not give a disorganised state anymore. You only become disorganised when you leave mid-raid.

Kingdoms and Diplomacy

• Fixed an issue that allowed minor factions to join a kingdom that it should always be at war with (by design).
• Fixed an issue with leader selection after the ruler clan of a faction was eliminated.

Economy and Trade

• Fixed an issue with hero tooltips showing incorrect workshop ownership.

Settlement Actions (Town, Village, Castle and Hideout)

• Fixed a bug where a clan member could be invited to play a board game in an incorrect location.
• Fixed a bug that caused the player party to be ejected from their current settlement due to an unrelated peace between other factions.
• Wanderer life cycle was changed. Players can now find at least 1 of each wanderer type in the world at all times.

Quests & Issues

• Fixed a bug where no recruits would spawn in Tevea when starting a new game.
• Fixed a bug that incorrectly cancelled a quest upon the conquest of a settlement.
• Fixed a bug where you would get an incorrect journal log while doing the "Art of the Trade" quest.
• Fixed a bug where the “Conquest of a Settlement” quest wouldn't reward the correct amount of gold.
• Fixed minor issues with a variety of quests.
• Added exclamation marks to "Spy Among Us" and "Inn and Out" quest menu buttons and agents.
• Fixed a couple of inconsistencies for the required troop tiers of alternative solutions.
• Fixed a bug that caused the "Family Feud" quest dialogue to get stuck in a loop.
• Lord needs Tutor quest success consequences are changed.
  • Players will gain 25 relation with the quest giver instead of 15.
  • Players will gain 15 relation with the pupil hero.
  • Players will gain 5 renown.
• Consequences for criminal actions towards the quest giver's clan's villages updated. This now causes -5 relationship penalty with quest giver, -50 experience penalty to Honor trait.
• Timeout consequences of Headman Needs Grain quest updated:
  • 5 relation penalty with the quest giver
  • -3 relation penalty with the other notables in the quest village
  • Issue frequency changed to rare from common.
• Escort Merchant Caravan quest changes:
  • Caravan destroyed by main hero quest log text updated.
  • Attacking quest caravan consequences changed:
    • 10 relationship penalty with quest giver
    • 10 power penalty to quest giver
    • 80 Honor experience to main hero
    • 20 prosperity penalty to quest giver's settlement
  • Cancel by war quest log text updated.
  • Fixed a bug that caused tracks from bandit parties to be removed immediately.
  • Timeout consequences changed:
    • 5 power penalty to quest giver
    • 5 relation penalty with quest giver
    • 20 Honor experience penalty to main hero
    • 20 prosperity penalty to quest giver's settlement
• Train troops issue/quest updates:
  • Success log added for alternative solution.
  • Game pauses now when the decision pop-up is opened to complete the quest.
• Village needs grain issue/quest fixes & changes.
  • The issue now only appears in villages whose type is "Wheat Farm".
  • Issue frequency changed to rare from common.
  • Relation penalty added with other notables in the issue village if the quest fails.
• Escort Merchant Caravan issue/quest changes.
  • Various quest log updates.
  • Fixed a bug that caused the quest bandit party to be immediately untracked.
  • War declaration against quest giver's kingdom consequences updated.
• Improved the quest progress updates for the Headman Needs Grain Seeds quest.
• Fixed the bug that prevents updating troop count in the "Train Troops" quest log.
• Fixed an issue that caused guards to spawn behind the gate on Gang Leader Needs Weapons quest at Syronea.
• Fixed issues in the main storyline that occurred when the player became the leader of an existing faction.

Conversations & Encounters

• Fixed a missing text in bandit encounter conversations.
• Made various improvements to conversations by reviewing and reassigning poses & expressions based on the animation content introduced in recent patches.
  • These were also used in updated default poses for NPC encyclopedia entries.

Other

• Updated length stats of all mounts to highlight the characteristics of different breeds.
• Fixed a bug that prevented some mounted agents from accelerating to gallop.
• Rebalanced some shoulder armour pieces and weapons used in single-player tournaments.
• Crowns were added to the starting rulers.
• Some shoulder armour pieces and weapons used in single player tournaments were rebalanced.
• Fixed behaviour problems for the mounted training field horse.
• Fixed an issue that could prevent players from restarting a particular section (like melee training) of the training field tutorial.
• Fixed a bug that caused shields to sometimes become huge in size after being dropped.
• Fixed cases where crime rating was applied incorrectly.
• Increased base settlement prisoner limit to 60 from 30 and bonus from each wall level to 30 from 10.
• Fixed an issue where banners were not properly shown in some settlements
• Fixed a bug that duplicated heroes in missions if the main agent changed locations through doors.
• Fixed a bug that could prevent the last seen info from being updated properly.
• Added concept page for crime and caravans
• Fixed an issue causing notables to stand on a chair at Lycaron.

Multiplayer​

Crashes

• Fixed a network-related crash that occurred when an agent position was outside of network limits.
• Fixed a crash that happened during the intermission due to long map names.

Design & Balance

• Lances in Multiplayer can no longer be used to knockdown/dismount players.
• All Javelin weights are increased by 25% and melee damages are decreased by 20% (except for Captain mode).
• As a result of these changes, you can expect a slight decrease in throwing damage too.

Performance

• Increased database performance for lobby server.

Server & Network

• Fixed a bug that prevented players from joining a custom server after getting kicked due to inactivity.
• Increased custom server join performance.
• Linux server files are available (since 1.0.3)

UI
Fixes

• Fixed various text areas where some characters would show up as squares (killfeed, server names etc.).
• Fixed a bug that caused the gold label in the lobby to not be updated correctly after a match.
• Fixed a bug that caused the report player button to be disabled incorrectly.
• Fixed a bug that caused cosmetic items to get sorted incorrectly in the Armory tab in Lobby.
• Fixed a bug that caused the intermission screen to not work properly in some instances.
• Fixed a bug that caused a crash on custom servers if they didn't have "MultiplayerForcedAvatars" folder created.
• Fixed a bug which hindered the ability to view a troop's encyclopaedia page from the upgrade pop-up of the Party page.

Both​

Crashes

• Fixed a crash related to reversed animations' sampling.
• Fixed a crash that occurred when an agent died while using a machine.
• Fixed a bug related to item attack usages, which was causing the game (especially if it was modded) to crash.

Optimisation

• Fixed finalisation order of mission behaviours to prevent certain memory leaks.

Audio

• Fixed problems with water collision sounds.
• Fixed an issue with the mangonel reloading sound loop.

Performance

• Several performance improvements were made for both battles and the campaign map.

Animations

• Improved computations of physical forces for ragdoll when an agent dies with an instant ragdoll kill.

Combat

• Fixed an issue that caused weapon attacks that were blocked by a shield to be considered a shield strike.
• Fixed a bug that caused inflicted damage to not be set when an alternative attack (kick or shield bash) was blocked by a shield.
• Polearms (including javelins) with a length of 1.2 meters or less, no longer make mounts rear.

Other

• Fixed a bug that caused the incorrect highlighting of objects when DLSS was enabled.
• Fixed a bug that allowed players to swivel the camera into their own heads.
• Fixed a bug that caused achievements on Epic Games to not work after some time.

Modding​

• Improved scene checker code (editor side) in order to detect various spawn path placement problems.
• The map camera implementation was separated from the map screen code for easier modding.
• A new attribute is_moving was added to the monster usage system. It allows specifying different actions in moving or stationary situations.
• Enabled the ability to give banner tableaus to armor pieces. This change adds native support for armor pieces to have banner textures. It works the same way as shields, banner bearer items etc.
• Fixed a bug that caused issues with asset importing if there were two modules with the same id.
• Fixed SpCultures default xml to throw warnings when it has no cultures defined.
• Animation clips can now be searched by their flags in the resource viewer.
• Increased the ModifiedDamage compression info limits from 500 to 2000 and clamped the out of limit damage numbers to the min/max values
• AddGameMenu and GetGameMenu are now public
• game menu options can work with related objects.
• Fixed a crash that happens if the main hero talks with a hero that does not have any proper conversation lines. Now he/she says a default conversation line if proper dialog lines were not added.

Will Console players receive a cheat menu? As nice as it would be to mod the game like PC just the simple cheat menu would be more than enough.

 

[swally0ne]

@Duh_TaleWorlds I am not sure what you did for 1.1.0 but I just started my workshop testing and profits are down 20%-40% for almost all shops. Even with the 75 steward perk and micro managing (buying output) constantly, I have am barely getting over 200 a day. I have asked for months that the 25k-35k price tag to buy them to be lowered which was raised for what I have no idea why. So if I buy a shop for 30k and it makes 150 a day it would take 200 days to get my money. Who would want to invest 30k for a 2 1/2 year investment.

 

[_DTG_]

TW devs, another bug detected.
When I block with my shield rocks thrown by Looters, my shield does not reflect/block the rocks. My character does not take damage, but rocks disappear and there is no sound of a rock hits shield nor blocking sound effect. In version 1.0.3 this mechanic works properly unlike in 1.1.0.

 

[tmike11]

I encountered another bug. At first I thought it was one time but I managed to determine that, at least for me, it happens every time in the following scenario : an allied party is in a battle with the enemy. I join the battle and we win. At the end of the battle the allied lords that were prisoners in enemy army get released and the dialog screen opens. If I didn't encounter said lord before, the only option is "My name is ...." or something similar. Upon clicking on it I get minus relation a number in the millions and effectively get -100 relation with them all the time

 

[Anthropoid]

It be cool if shops were actually useful like:
Give you a stash (like in warband)
Don't get destroyed by war (like in warband)
How about if you own a shop you can use it to sneak yourself into the town while at war to do civilian things?
Maybe if you control the back alleys and own a shop it could interact somehow or give additional option?
For the money TW needs to just look their own design vision and decide "at this clan rank how many troops is the player supposed to use?" "How many works shops can the player own at this clan rank?" Then make the approximant money the total workshops would pay close to the cost of the amount of troops you have designed the game around the player having at that clan rank.
There's no point in them being in the game otherwise because the only possible use to any passive income is the player being able to just idle around and have the costs covered. If the layer is in war instead they get loot money and the passive incomes are irrelevant.
As is, they are completely useless and irrelevant because if you're not in war they barely scratch the cost of a good party/army and if you are in war you don't need them at all.

There is tremendous potential in the various new settlement mechanics TW have introduced. Prior to the 1.1 update, I had noted that pretty much all the settlements had alleys and backstreets which were blocked off with junk. It seems that some (but not all) of those avenues were opened up with 1.1 and the new gang alley system. My hunch is that most all of these systems are Works in Progress and there are bigger long term plans for all of them.

There are also many doors in settlements which appear graphically very similar to those which have a functioning "F" hit box (such as the tavern, the arena and quest givers doors). There are a lot of other doors which do not look as realistic and distinctive compared to the wall in which they are mounted. This leads me to surmise that there are likely long term plans pertaining to interiors in settlements too?

 

[STcloz]

They will be in a future patch, but not the next one.

What I am going to say is not related to this massage. I just want to ask a question.
There are two lords betrayed my kingdom just before me completing the "unit the empire" quest. They are both a friend of mine. But I am not the faction leader. Is this intended? Did you guys consider it thoroughly? Why?
And why are there a limit on companions, workshops, and even clans? You do know this is a single player RPG, right?

 

[Brocephus]

My hunch is that most all of these systems are Works in Progress and there are bigger long term plans for all of them.

Except, of course, most of the systems and features in the game have been introduced as poorly thought-out, half-assed placeholders and they just remain there. See Companions, Workshops, Courting, Relationships, Traits, Caravans, the campaign storyline, prisoner rescues, order of battle, Castles, Crime, Policies...

 

[Flesson19]

@Dejan Can we get an update on 1) Llords not defecting at all (over correction of defection bug/fix) 2) 1.1.0 workshop making hardly no money(Profit less than half of 1.0.3 and shops still costing 2X as much, needs to go back to 14k-16K), 3) AI only using 1 siege equipment, only 1 tower ignoring other tower and ram), 4) Losing massive relation when aiding/rescuing a friendly lord in battle. 5) Other parties still not taking full food variety to help with morale/steward gains 5) mid to late game consumables becoming super rare (butter/dates). There thought I would give you an easy list of just some of the important issues with the beta branch for your new position.

 

[ldgarrett]

@Flesson19 Are player owned caravans allowed to scale up to 50 troops in current beta? That's been an overlooked item since the prerelease change of Town caravans from 30->50 up to 1.0.3
Might matter to your Caravan "survival" calculations.

 

[Delinard]

@Dejan 1) Llords not defecting at all (over correction of defection bug/fix)

Literally all you need to do is take all the fiefs from a random kingdom and maybe leave them with one left, then you wait and watch as the kingdom gets 0 defections within span of 1 or 2 years, while their clan wealth is somehow not even on very poor (some insane cheating right there).
In warband if a lord had 0 fiefs he pretty much could only afford 20 to 40 peasants and was rendered essentially worthless, and he would also constantly lose relations with his liege, this seems to not be implemented into bannerlord.

 

[Totalgarbage]

Literally all you need to do is take all the fiefs from a random kingdom and maybe leave them with one left, then you wait and watch as the kingdom gets 0 defections within span of 1 or 2 years, while their clan wealth is somehow not even on very poor (some insane cheating right there).
In warband if a lord had 0 fiefs he pretty much could only afford 20 to 40 peasants and was rendered essentially worthless, and he would also constantly lose relations with his liege, this seems to not be implemented into bannerlord.

There's actually a kingdom "bank" mechanic in the game only for the AI that was implemented some time after the early access release. When lords get large amounts of money through battles or maybe through the player giving them the money via the barter menu (also maybe through console commands, but I'm not sure) they put some amount of money into the kingdom "bank", and when lords are poor, they take some money from this "bank". I think minor factions get some of their payments from this "bank" as well, but I might be wrong. Iirc, there's even a "bank" for the player's own formed kingdom that the player can't directly access themselves but is useful in case of vassals who're companions that have been promoted that only have a tiny amount of money at the beginning. I'm not sure if it's updated for 1.1 or if it even needs an update, but the mod called "Encyclopedia extender" allows the player to see the amount of money in this "bank". The defection chances are directly influenced by clan wealth, which is directly influenced by the kingdom "bank", so there might be a bug in this mechanic as well.

 

[Flesson19]

that is correct with lesers scholars mod I can see the bank, they build up around 4 million that has to be exhausted. I still have kingdoms with 0 money, no fiefs and no one defects. That is the over correction of the defection issue TW tried to correct. They went overboard so no one defects. Cant we have middle ground, why does it have to be one extreme to another.

 

[froggyluv]

that is correct with lesers scholars mod I can see the bank, they build up around 4 million that has to be exhausted. I still have kingdoms with 0 money, no fiefs and no one defects. That is the over correction of the defection issue TW tried to correct. They went overboard so no one defects. Cant we have middle ground, why does it have to be one extreme to another.

Ive noticed this from early on - its always a sledgehammer solution when a precision scalpel would've been the better way to redesign.

 

[STcloz]

no one defects. That is the over correction of the defection issue TW tried to correct.

Defection does exist, in a bad way.

There are two lords betrayed my kingdom just before me completing the "unit the empire" quest. They are both a friend of mine. But I am not the faction leader. Is this intended? Did you guys consider it thoroughly? Why?

 

[STcloz]

Beta v1.1.0​

Singleplayer​

Now bandits in the quest will flee from player again. Why would you do this? Is this a method to pretend that you devs are working? Make bugs, then fix it, then take the bug back, again and again. There seems no other reason to explain that.

 

[Brano]

One just wonders why all those defeated and bankrupt lords don't go exile to that cave in the mountain of doom west of Rhotae. That old man would appreciate some company

 

[Lesbosisles]

Yeah, relationship between the clan and the faction leader should play much bigger role in defection. I've no idea, why wasn't it taken into consideration still.

Now bandits in the quest will flee from player again. Why would you do this? Is this a method to pretend that you devs are working? Make bugs, then fix it, then take the bug back, again and again. There seems no other reason to explain that.

And there are also a lot of "Defeat bandits quest" in the areas, where there are no bandits at all.