Bibito
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80 people working on game's different aspects, there are art designers or server responsibles blabla. Not 80 people coding game
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Beta Patch Notes e1.4.2
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I think the negativity will continue to get worse until they can release some major patches that substantially improve the game and fill in a lot of the missing features. So far each patch has felt like one step forward, two steps back and a lot of people are getting increasingly frustrated at the progress. But that could all change with one really good patch.
Hadesrevenge
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I agree. More communication is needed. Like where we are at, and the direction we are going. The slow updates, and lack of communication are what cause the negativity. Its a same to. Good game, let the community help you. We test whatever you put out. As long as it doesn't crash us. Hats off to the modders for keeping there mods updated.
I've actually noticed a lot of progress. Some of the things they've accomplished on the singleplayer side in the last 2.5 months:
- Fixed many bugs and crashes.
- Incrementally improved Campaign, Battle, and Siege AI behavior and other combat parameters.
- Greatly improved overall performance.
- Added new quests and refined the existing ones.
- Polished and added various art and animation assets.
- Added new music.
- Added new weapons and armor.
- Reworked troop loadouts and skill sets
- Enhanced existing UI features and added new ones.
- Added 100+ new noble npcs and reworked the appearances of existing ones.
- Introduced the Diplomacy mechanic and partially phased out the placeholder system.
- Replaced some of the placeholder perk trees with new and improved perks (a WIP obviously).
- Fine-tuned the various aspects of the prosperity and kingdom management system.
"Features" has just become an ambiguous word that tends to mean anything other than what we're being given.
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Sidhwen_Khorest
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I was a little put off about the progress of the game, so I took a break for a month, just started playing again and now I'm having fun again. I think a lot of things have improved like @Bannerman Man says, it just became more obvious when I wasn't foaming at the mouth for a new patch each week.
So... everyone waited 8 years for nothing because these are all the things they should have it in the game already before release.
You cannot ship something totally unplayable after 8 years, fix it and claim that "You are doing a good job".
For tuning and small bug fixing, yeah, that's fine. It's understandable. But the game didn't even have decal textures for some arenas when it first came out. Apart from such unprofessional bugs, you can't miss like 50% of game features and put AAA price tag. I know you like the game, I also like M&B title but let's be realistic. This is not a charity or Kickstarter. Players have all right to be frustrated.
I mean come on, no need to go too further, here is a simple example, Bannerlord doesn't have official banners inside the game. Like the only thing should have been ready before release, which literally what's promised in the title, is not there.
Concomitant
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I stated this elsewhere, but right now, the greatest issue in the game is that vassals have a high chance of leaving the player's kingdom regardless of their relation with the player. I can understand vassals leaving while below 0 relation, but I just had a vassal with 9 fiefs leave, and they were 100 relation. It makes absolutely zero sense, and no amount of reverting saves will prevent the vassal from leaving my kingdom.
I honestly don't care if it makes the game "more interesting" because it makes it far less fun, not being able to have any control over whether or not the vassal leaves. If anything, I should be given a notification that they are considering leaving and have the ability to take the matter into my own hands to prevent (or fail to prevent) that from happening. I'd prefer it scale with relation based on the vassal's honor, but as it is now, it is not functioning in a way which helps the player progress.
I honestly don't care if it makes the game "more interesting" because it makes it far less fun, not being able to have any control over whether or not the vassal leaves. If anything, I should be given a notification that they are considering leaving and have the ability to take the matter into my own hands to prevent (or fail to prevent) that from happening. I'd prefer it scale with relation based on the vassal's honor, but as it is now, it is not functioning in a way which helps the player progress.
Agreed. The game isn't "out" yet its early access. If your unhappy next year when it's actually released maybe you'll have an argument.
Dabos37
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Great news my friend
At least no one can say anymore "but bro, it´s just a small indie company"
I've actually noticed a lot of progress. Some of the things they've accomplished on the singleplayer side in the last 2.5 months:
- Fixed many bugs and crashes. > Yes, that´s nice no doubt!
- Incrementally improved Campaign, Battle, and Siege AI behavior and other combat parameters. > I don´t see much improvment, siege towers are still useless most of the time. Defenders still suiciding from the castle walls.
- Greatly improved overall performance. > Yes, also nice!
- Added new quests and refined the existing ones. > Wow, as if this is the core of the game.
- Polished and added various art and animation assets. > Nice to have, doesn´t improve the gameplay.
- Added new music. > Not really important
- Added new weapons and armor. > Again wow...
- Reworked troop loadouts and skill sets > Modders can do this also and there a lot of mods who do this...WOW!
- Enhanced existing UI features and added new ones. > Wow
- Added 100+ new noble npcs and reworked the appearances of existing ones. > 100 nobles without much interaction and zero personality! It could be 1000 nobles, wouldn´t make any difference, they are generic (this a generic backstory
- Introduced the Diplomacy mechanic and partially phased out the placeholder system. > Diplomancy mod does a better job, wow!
- Replaced some of the placeholder perk trees with new and improved perks (a WIP obviously). > So we have like 30-40% working perks after 2,5 months, wow!
- Fine-tuned the various aspects of the prosperity and kingdom management system. > Still not really working, wow!
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Compare Bannerlord to Rimworld (awesome game, developed for years by one person, that´s a real indie game. Alpha was released in 2013, 30€ instead of 50€) and you see what I mean. Or Factorio, or Satisfactory or or or or or....
EA isn´t an excuse for the state this game is right now. Not for a AAA price.
If the EA price was 20€, totally fine. No complaints from my side, but it isn´t.
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RozBritanicus
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I know what you mean ,I was using enhanced character edit and it was great . But I stopped using mods because of conflicts. I want all the sliders apart from age.
Because the game was under development for more than 8 years. And there are also many statements of Armagan where they were planning to "release" when they are ready. Also, Early-access doesn't mean DevBuild. EA is also a form of release and that's why the main release is called "Full release". And if you promise the following on your web page
then people will expect "wealth of content that will keep players engaged for many hours"
If you are okay with all these bugs and weirdness after 8 years of development, sure, go ahead and be the tester after paying AAA price.
However, you being okay with this won't keep me away from stating my mind in the forum. Especially while game's active users are on decline.
According to your logic, we shouldn't say anything because it's EA. Also it's not clear that game will be in full release after a year. That's just your assumption. Regardless to that, I think you are missing the argument here but I won't bother to argue anyway.
+1, fanboys can't stand critical comments about the game, always using EA as the excuse to everything. We love the game too, doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't criticize it for its shortcomings. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even if they think that EA is fine the way it is, doesn't mean we have to agree and think that way too.
+ it´s a small indie company
Pizi_G
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look, i myself will reach 500 hours played this weekend , im happy sofar and see alot of progress
so there is alot of content, its absolutly playable and yes there are bugs
but devs recognice them and they get fixed
some sooner some later
its highly modable so you can easily tinker it to your vision what the game should be
Bannerman Man gave you a list what changed and and you say its 8 years in development , thats totally irrelevant
EDIT : and dont forget, its only a small Indy company =)
EDITH 2 i did not wait 8 years , i dit not have any expectations what the game should be i just stumbled over it and bought it and now i like it
so maybe its the old problem that the expectations arre to high and it was overhyped
I didn't ask what you consider important. Development is not a straight path to the finishline. In 10 months you'll be a frog sitting in boiling water saying, "hang on a minute, I thought we were supposed to be getting new features."
No response I can give will ever assuage the "it's been 8 years" crowd, so it's not really worth discussing.
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