Beta Patch 1.157 - Patch pre-release! Steam release on Wednesday.

[Ankhtify]

So what you're actually saying is that unless a clan plays with the rules you like in the matches you like they're not really proper matches?

Yes, because they're rules which are accepted by the majority of the community.
If you can't win by the community's standards, how can you be considered good by the community?

I dare you to fight AE in standard match format.

That's like saying If you bake a cake and then I bake a cake but in a different way then my cake is not a "proper" cake because I didn't do it the same way as you.

You sir are retarded.

It's actually more like saying that you baked a cake like none of the other dozen bakers, who all accepted to bake cakes a certain way.

That means its not a cake?

 

[RalliX]

So what you're actually saying is that unless a clan plays with the rules you like in the matches you like they're not really proper matches?

Yes, because they're rules which are accepted by the majority of the community.
If you can't win by the community's standards, how can you be considered good by the community?

I dare you to fight AE in standard match format.

That's like saying If you bake a cake and then I bake a cake but in a different way then my cake is not a "proper" cake because I didn't do it the same way as you.

You sir are retarded.

It's actually more like saying that you baked a cake like none of the other dozen bakers, who all accepted to bake cakes a certain way.

That means its not a cake?

No, it means that it's not a 'proper' cake.
What is proper is what the majority say it is.

 

[Alex_C]

That's a nice story. But apparently saying "I have statistics that show..." doesn't mean backing up with statistics. And you haven't mentioned that you tried to make your conclusions, the value of which are as high as the one you made above, were just an attempt restore your face after I've shown you your place.

Spoiler: Statistics

First of all statistics from ENL matches:

Weapon Type:  ​	Weapon Icon:  ​	Number of Kills:  ​	Percentage of Total Kills (3s.f.):  ​
One-Handed Sword​	<img=ico_swordone>​	9641​	37.7%​
Two-Handed Sword​	<img=ico_swordtwo>​	348​	1.36%​
Polearm​	<img=ico_spear>​	3286​	12.8%​
One-Handed Axe​	<img=ico_axeone>​	2071​	8.09%​
Two-Handed Axe​	<img=ico_axetwo>​	624​	2.44%​
Mace​	<img=ico_blunt>​	194​	0.758%​
Hammer​	<img=ico_maul>​	298​	1.16%​
Morningstar​	<img=ico_morningstar>​	34​	0.133%​
Couched Lance​	<img=ico_couchedlance>​	530​	2.07%​
Horse Bump​	<img=ico_horseimpact>​	137​	0.535%​
Javelin​	<img=ico_javelin>​	527​	2.06%​
Throwing Axe​	<img=ico_axethrow>​	95​	0.371%​
Bow​	<img=ico_bow>​	3046​	11.9%​
Crossbow​	<img=ico_axeone>​	2000​	7.82%​
Headshot​	<img=ico_headshot>​	2755​	10.8%​

Note that even if all headshots are taken to have come from a bow or crossbow, ranged kills still only amount to 30.5% (3s.f.) of total kills. Obviously in reality a fair proportion of headshots are likely to have come from throwing weapons instead.

Significant changes from public to competitive play in terms of kills:

• A huge increase in the quantity of one-handed kills, from 30.3% to 37.7%;
• Even fewer kills from two-handers, from 11.0% of kills, to 5.10%;
• A decrease in the quantity of polearm kills, from 17.9% to 12.8%;
• Lesser use of 'niche' weapons, such as morningstars, hammers, maces etc.;
• Slight increases in bow kills, crossbow kills and headshot kills. Bows increase from 10.0% to 11.9%; crossbows from 7.34% to 7.82% and headshots from 8.49% to 10.8%.

This seems like a relatively small increase in ranged weapon kills to me, and certainly not of the kind which would lead one to suggest that ranged was 'dominating' said matches.

 

[Huunter852]

So what you're actually saying is that unless a clan plays with the rules you like in the matches you like they're not really proper matches?

Yes, because they're rules which are accepted by the majority of the community.
If you can't win by the community's standards, how can you be considered good by the community?

I dare you to fight AE in standard match format.

That's like saying If you bake a cake and then I bake a cake but in a different way then my cake is not a "proper" cake because I didn't do it the same way as you.

You sir are retarded.

It's actually more like saying that you baked a cake like none of the other dozen bakers, who all accepted to bake cakes a certain way.

So because I do it different to a certain group of people then I'm wrong? That's just stupid.

 

[Ankhtify]

No, it means that it's not a 'proper' cake.
What is proper is what the majority say it is.

But its indeed still a cake and it works just as fine as any other cake? Probably taste just as good? No?

 

[Alex_C]

Stop with the ridiculous cake thing, it's not in any way a suitable analogy.

 

[Ankhtify]

Stop with the ridiculous cake thing, it's not in any way a suitable analogy.

It is actually.

 

[Huunter852]

Stop with the ridiculous cake thing, it's not in any way a suitable analogy.

Whats wrong, did I hurt your E-peen by proving you wrong? Am I proving how stupid what your saying is?

 

[Alex_C]

Stop with the ridiculous cake thing, it's not in any way a suitable analogy.

It is actually.

Stop with the ridiculous cake thing, it's not in any way a suitable analogy.

Whats wrong, did I hurt your E-peen by proving you wrong? Am I proving how stupid what your saying is?

What properties do a cake and competitive Warband share? How relevant is a cake to competitive Warband?

 

[RalliX]

No, it means that it's not a 'proper' cake.
What is proper is what the majority say it is.

But its indeed still a cake and it works just as fine as any other cake? Probably taste just as good? No?

Maybe. But the changes which are being suggested are for the other bakers. Not someone who goes and does their own odd thing.
These changes to the ingredients are being made with the needs of the majority in mind, and not the minority.

I'm not saying that you can't do your own thing. I'm saying you can't expect the majority to accept it.

 

[Huunter852]

Stop with the ridiculous cake thing, it's not in any way a suitable analogy.

It is actually.

Stop with the ridiculous cake thing, it's not in any way a suitable analogy.

Whats wrong, did I hurt your E-peen by proving you wrong? Am I proving how stupid what your saying is?

What properties do a cake and competitive Warband share? How relevant is a cake to competitive Warband?

Are you so stupid that you don't know what a Metaphor is? DAMN your stupid!

At-least Rallix understood and come up with a good counter argument.

 

[RalliX]

Are you so stupid that you don't know what a Metaphor is? DAMN your stupid!

An Ad Hominem is not an argument.
If you have nothing to say, perhaps you ought to be quiet.

 

[Alex_C]

What properties do a cake and competitive Warband share? How relevant is a cake to competitive Warband?

Are you so stupid that you don't know what a Metaphor is? DAMN your stupid!

It's not a metaphor, it's an analogy. You're trying to compare the two things in regards to their apparent shared properties and show that since attribute x of a cake is true, attribute x of competitive Warband is also true. However due to the huge discrepancies between a cake and competitive Warband, it's not relevant.

 

[Tork789]

Headshot

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2755

10.8%

Every 10th kill is a headshot. Nice statistics, to me it's now even more obvious that accuracy need to be reduced.

 

[Ankhtify]

No, it means that it's not a 'proper' cake.
What is proper is what the majority say it is.

But its indeed still a cake and it works just as fine as any other cake? Probably taste just as good? No?

Maybe. But the changes which are being suggested are for the other bakers. Not someone who goes and does their own odd thing.
These changes to the ingredients are being made with the needs of the majority in mind, and not the minority.

I'm not saying that you can't do your own thing. I'm saying you can't expect the majority to accept it.

I see, but why wouldnt they accept it? Because we are bothering people about it or because we dont do the same?

Cake: Why do the other bakers not like this other baker and his cake? Because he is selling it and talking about it or because the bakers see he is doing something else.

 

[Huunter852]

Are you so stupid that you don't know what a Metaphor is? DAMN your stupid!

An Ad Hominem is not an argument.
If you have nothing to say, perhaps you ought to be quiet.

You've been posting in this thread for a long time and you can see what its turned into, just another flame thread so whats the point of posting valid reasons and trying to explain it when only you and barely a handful of others listen and come up with a good counter argument?

Best thing to do imo is just wait till the patch comes in and THEN start arguing about the effects rather then all Q_Qing over something that hasn't even happened yet.

 

[Alex_C]

Headshot

<img=ico_headshot>

2755

10.8%

Every 10th kill is a headshot. Nice statistics, to me it's now even more obvious that accuracy need to be reduced.

Firstly headshots also come from infantry and cavalry by means of throwing weapons, secondly as the statistics show, even if all headshots were to be taken as from rangers, they would only account for ~30% of kills.

No, it means that it's not a 'proper' cake.
What is proper is what the majority say it is.

But its indeed still a cake and it works just as fine as any other cake? Probably taste just as good? No?

Maybe. But the changes which are being suggested are for the other bakers. Not someone who goes and does their own odd thing.
These changes to the ingredients are being made with the needs of the majority in mind, and not the minority.

I'm not saying that you can't do your own thing. I'm saying you can't expect the majority to accept it.

I see, but why wouldnt they accept it? Because we are bothering people about it or because we dont do the same?

Cake: Why do the other bakers not like this other baker and his cake? Because he is selling it and talking about it or because the bakers see he is doing something else.

Good thing no one gives a **** since a cake isn't in any way analogous to playing a video game online.

 

[Alene]

Guys, please, just stop. I don't see anyone changing their perspective on the matter, so you are on stalemate, and continuing this conversation is pointless.

Niflheimians play Warband competitively with their rules, but that does not mean they cannot comment on the coming patch. If their comments have any affect to the coming patch is up to Lust.

Warning - while you were typing 6 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.  

 

[Huunter852]

Headshot

<img=ico_headshot>

2755

10.8%

Every 10th kill is a headshot. Nice statistics, to me it's now even more obvious that accuracy need to be reduced.

Firstly headshots also come from infantry and cavalry by means of throwing weapons, secondly as the statistics show, even if all headshots were to be taken as from rangers, they would only account for ~30% of kills.

No, it means that it's not a 'proper' cake.
What is proper is what the majority say it is.

But its indeed still a cake and it works just as fine as any other cake? Probably taste just as good? No?

Maybe. But the changes which are being suggested are for the other bakers. Not someone who goes and does their own odd thing.
These changes to the ingredients are being made with the needs of the majority in mind, and not the minority.

I'm not saying that you can't do your own thing. I'm saying you can't expect the majority to accept it.

I see, but why wouldnt they accept it? Because we are bothering people about it or because we dont do the same?

Cake: Why do the other bakers not like this other baker and his cake? Because he is selling it and talking about it or because the bakers see he is doing something else.

Good thing no one gives a **** since a cake isn't in any way analogous to playing a video game online.

you seem to give a **** since you keep replying. 

 

[Ankhtify]

Alex.. Alex.. I was talking to you all of the sudden? I didnt know, that was clearly in response to Rallix. Would you be so kind and keep talking with Tork? We can speak later..