BEAST - Bannerlord Early Access Skirmish Tournament

[Mabons]

I think we already had a match where the teams played the same factions 3 times in a row lets hope we get the tools to choose maps and factiions or at least play again with swapped factions soon.

I really wanted to know though how the rules could be read as expressing anything other than it was a one-time veto. if it isn't clear I guess we should change the wording but I can't read any other way than expressing that there is one veto for one map and not an ongoing veto on faction matchups.

That was the situation I had in mind. Again, I didn’t interpret the rules that way, I’m suggesting it, but it probably isn’t worth the confusion it will cause in a hopefully rare situation anyways.

 

[The_Great_White]

In the tournament rules it says the following:

§ 12 Player Names & Tags
(1) Players must play with the name they are signed up under in the team roster.
(2) Players must wear the team tag during official matches.
(3) Players must be 'online' on Steam during a match.

Furthermore, breaking this rule resulted firstly in a warning and, after a second break, in a suspension, like in the following examples:

Warning: East End Elite [collective]
East End Elite didn't use any tag or clear player names to distinguish themselves from any public player in the match. Since the game cannot be administered like it was possible in Warband yet, it is needed for players to actually adhere to this rule to get a good idea who is actually playing.
Since East End Elite did not use any tags at all or clear player names, the entire team is collectively warned.

Suspension: Hanse
The player Hanse of House Rolf played without tag in the match v Keyboard Warriors. The tournament staff issued a warning that the next infringement on this rule will result in a suspension. He is therefore suspended for one match based on §12 (2).

However, both Krex and RoemerSA from the DoFortune team didn't break that rule before and changed it immediatly after the first map.
My suggestion: Transform the suspension into a warning and change the rules to:

§ 12 Player Names & Tags
(1) Players must play with the name they are signed up under in the team roster.
(2) Players must wear the team tag during official matches. The first break of this rule results in a warning, every other break will result in a supsension for one match.
(3) Players must be 'online' on Steam during a match.

 

[TheBard]

Interesting idea, I have to say that the suspension I had to dish out were hard indeed, but I can't ignore our rules even in the final matches, obviously.
I can just hope that TW hurries their new clan system out.

 

[The_Great_White]

I agree with you that rules can't be ignored, but you can't punish the same break of the rule differently, sometimes with a warning, sometimes with a ban, hence why i suggest the transformation of both the punishment and the rules

 

[Aprikosenmann]

(3) Players must be 'online' on Steam during a match.

I saw numerous people breake that rule. People with 144hz monitor have the problem that steam notifications cause major fps drops until the message is read. Also you dont want to be interrupted by messages in general. I know why the rule is there but its not really realizable.

 

[Aeronwen]

In the tournament rules it says the following:

§ 12 Player Names & Tags
(1) Players must play with the name they are signed up under in the team roster.
(2) Players must wear the team tag during official matches.
(3) Players must be 'online' on Steam during a match.

Furthermore, breaking this rule resulted firstly in a warning and, after a second break, in a suspension, like in the following examples:

Warning: East End Elite [collective]
East End Elite didn't use any tag or clear player names to distinguish themselves from any public player in the match. Since the game cannot be administered like it was possible in Warband yet, it is needed for players to actually adhere to this rule to get a good idea who is actually playing.
Since East End Elite did not use any tags at all or clear player names, the entire team is collectively warned.

Suspension: Hanse
The player Hanse of House Rolf played without tag in the match v Keyboard Warriors. The tournament staff issued a warning that the next infringement on this rule will result in a suspension. He is therefore suspended for one match based on §12 (2).

However, both Krex and RoemerSA from the DoFortune team didn't break that rule before and changed it immediatly after the first map.
My suggestion: Transform the suspension into a warning and change the rules to:

§ 12 Player Names & Tags
(1) Players must play with the name they are signed up under in the team roster.
(2) Players must wear the team tag during official matches. The first break of this rule results in a warning, every other break will result in a supsension for one match.
(3) Players must be 'online' on Steam during a match.

we tend to give warnings towards the start of a tournament but expect players to have remembered the rule after the first couple of weeks. Every single player does not need the warning before a suspension.

(3) Players must be 'online' on Steam during a match.

I saw numerous people breake that rule. People with 144hz monitor have the problem that steam notifications cause major fps drops until the message is read. Also you dont want to be interrupted by messages in general. I know why the rule is there but its not really realizable.

ye that is a tricky one but players can turn off notifications. Anyway we will have the clan system soon, ;ets see if that helps

 

[The_Great_White]

we tend to give warnings towards the start of a tournament but expect players to have remembered the rule after the first couple of weeks. Every single player does not need the warning before a suspension.

if that's the admins' decision, i respect that although i heavily disagree

 

[tom54p]

we tend to give warnings towards the start of a tournament but expect players to have remembered the rule after the first couple of weeks. Every single player does not need the warning before a suspension.

The admin team stated multiple times that BEAST is a tournament created mainly for fun but it seem to me that they apply rules as if this was a competitive tournament with a prize money.
If the purpose of the tournament is to have fun i don't understand why you're applying the rules in such a strict fashion. I mean, of course rules are very important, i don't think anyone denies that, but it's the admins who need to punish people accordingly to the gravity of the offense and its context.
Defenders of Fortune showed respect of the rules during the whole tournament,it then happened that Krex and Roemersa genuinely forgot to put their tags on a single map during the last match and as soon as they realised this offense, changed it immediately after, showing to have respect for the rules and not ignoring them.
I would also like to point out that as far as the tournament admin knowledge goes, the defenders of fortune roster is composed only by 7 people which means that suspending 2 of them means not being able to field enough players for a normal match but nontheless decided to act a matter of minutes after the end of our match, posting it so quickly to even mistake the name of one of our players and had to correct it afterwards.
This means that the decision was taken immediately, withouth any consideration for the 2 players' behaviour during the tournament and withouth any consideration for their decision to immediately put the tags on once realised the mistake.
To me it seems that the rules are being taken ridiculously serious for what is considered to be a tournament organized for fun, especially when this kind of light offenses are being carried for a future tournament which hasn't even started.
If this was a tournament made with the purpose to compete, then it may be correct to suspend players on their first offense, but this isn't the case so,withouth any doubt, the rule-set should be more lenient, just like White noise suggested.

Otherwise, the admin team should make clear what the purpose of this tournament is, so to avoid possible missunderstandings by repeatedly crossing the line from what tournaments for mainly fun and tournaments for competitiveness are.

 

[Aeronwen]

@tom54p
Rules are not optional. Nor is there a class of players who get to disregard them.

I understand that you feel that the rule break was unintentional and therefore should not receive the same consequence as intentional rulebreaks. I hope you understand that admins cannot decide consequences on their estimation of the state of mind of the player at the time.