Battle of Talas

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matmohair1

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:cool: just some random stuff on an otherwise obscure topic...
The Battle of Talas (Battle of Artlakh) (怛羅斯會戰) (معركة نهر طلاس)

:arrow: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Talas

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What's more interesting is the aftermath, the An Lushan Rebellion in my opinion. Famine broke out, millions of people died and during the events, some people turned to eating manflesh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suiyang

Not to mention Turks began converting to Islam after this battle.
 
Swordmaster said:
What's more interesting is the aftermath, the An Lushan Rebellion in my opinion. Famine broke out, millions of people died and during the events, some people turned to eating manflesh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suiyang

Not to mention Turks began converting to Islam after this battle.

While I don't want to talk about cannibalism, Turks were already more Islamic than the Arabs by the time the war happened. Many of their cultural laws and rules were what Quran ordered while it was the opposite among Arabs since the time they disobeyed Muhammad and created religious leaders (which means prophets) to regulate the relationship between human and God. The Turks just were not "Muhammedi". After the so-called conversion of Turks to Islam, it was the Turks themselves that started to convert Arabs to Islams.
 

kweassa

Sergeant at Arms
ancalimon said:
Swordmaster said:
What's more interesting is the aftermath, the An Lushan Rebellion in my opinion. Famine broke out, millions of people died and during the events, some people turned to eating manflesh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suiyang

Not to mention Turks began converting to Islam after this battle.

While I don't want to talk about cannibalism, Turks were already more Islamic than the Arabs by the time the war happened. Many of their cultural laws and rules were what Quran ordered while it was the opposite among Arabs since the time they disobeyed Muhammad and created religious leaders (which means prophets) to regulate the relationship between human and God. The Turks just were not "Muhammedi". After the so-called conversion of Turks to Islam, it was the Turks themselves that started to convert Arabs to Islams.


...and another great season of "The Turks did Everything Show" is underway.

Heaven forbid.  :roll:
 

RaVeN

Sergeant Knight
Hey thanks for the images they are great!

However, I think some of them are inaccurate in portraying the Chinese because many of the armour and weapons look like they are Han Dynasty armour and weapons not Tang dynasty armour and weapons. For example these two pictures: the armour and weapons look like its from the period of Qin Dynasty to Three Kingdoms, couple centuries before the Tang. Chinese armour evolve a lot.

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This one (below) looks more accurate considering the boobieplates, and I think very accurately shows the betrayal with the Chinese getting nailed from two directions considering the Qarluqs who switched sides in the middle of the campaign:

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Another interesting note is the numbers. The Arabs state that the Chinese had 100,000 troops while the Chinese state the Arabs had 200,000 troops not including the Qarluqs who switched sides in the middle of the battle. Both sides inflate the other side's strength but I wouldn't put the Chinese number at too high as I think China did not have the ability fielded an army that big there considering the distance between Chang'an/China Proper and Talas being a couple thousands of miles stretching over inhospitable terrain.

It is quite a significant battle as the Chinese decisive defeat, would lose influence in the area. An Lushan would then launch a coup after, bringing an end to one of the most advanced societies in the world.
 
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