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Your life must be a constant uphill struggle against stupidity.
The purpose of seeding is not to give anyone an advantage but to spread top teams out so that everyone has a reasonably equal chance of reaching the finals - in this case everyone's goal is first and foremost reaching the LAN. None of the "Lower tier" teams have a chance in the upper bracket as they have to face Castellans, 2 AE teams and Charlini's team which is full of sick players. Not only is this unfair on the "top tier" teams as their chances of reaching the finals are lowered but it makes it almost impossible for a non-top tier team to reach the semi-finals. Plenty of other competitions use seeding and you won't have to look hard to find some big examplesHKP said:So you want to change up the format in order to give 'toptier' teams an advantage just because they consider themselves better than other teams?
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Yes, Single elimination is sufficient in finding an accurate 1st place team within a tournament, however it fails to provide accurate results for 2nd or 3rd place teams (which are getting a cut of the prize pool).Captain Lust said:Single elimination will find us a well-deserved winner and nobody is getting a free pass to Bucharest.
I disagree, as I've been saying on twitter, nobody can say for certain what team deserves to be seeded, and who gets to decide this? The players already involved in the tournament? Do we say ok AE clearly deserves to be seeded, they also ran tournaments for a long time, so they decide who else is worth fighting. This is open to such abuse, even if you mix in players from other clans/teams. No...The community is not neutral enough to decide this, everyone knows each other, some are friends, some are....well not. This will impact your decisions. You're not a robot. Honestly there's too much elitism going on in the game already, its natural as the players are also the hosts ect, but who knows in the future. If we want this to be seen as a potential e-sport, we have to act like it. I would rather see an article saying "X TEAM CRUSHES Y IN THE GRAND FINALE!" than "Warband e-sports dies due to favoritism at LAN" Its out of our hands at this stage, disagree if you will, but if warband does become an e-sport and more of these tournaments do happen, dont expect a say in how its done.GlorvalhirSRB said:If this was up to discussion with the community, it would've been earlier, it wasn't.
Voice your opinions, hopefully they will be listened to and changes will be made in the future, for now it's random, one map, whatever, make do.
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king._Osiris_ said:For a proper seeding we would need more 5v5matches (don't orgasm just yet greed,)
you guys should just be happy that you get this amazing opportunity. A big, $10,000 LAN tournament (hell, we can't even get a sub board on this side of the pond.) There are others excluded who would happily take your place.MaRzz said:This whole thread atm https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/beggars_can%27t_be_choosers
Sorry maybe I misunderstood, busy days this... I thought you meant that if the community had more of a hand in the decision it wouldve been better. If I was wrong I apologise.GlorvalhirSRB said:Uhm.. disagree with what in my post ?
My point is not for or against seeding, if I wasn't clear enough, but rather that it's pointless to ***** about it now and that people should do their best with what they are given and present the community in the best light possible now that WB was given this opportunity.
The other point being that hopefully, for future tourneys, the general opinion of the community, whatever that may be, will be taken into consideration when making rules, the final decision being made by TW as they are the ones organising it.
Hear hear!Achilles_TheIV said:
You can't properly seed future tournaments from an unseeded tournament, the seeding data will be terrible. If Charlini's team goes out in the first round, a team that should be a contender, they'll have the same seed in the next LAN as any terrible team who also went out in the first round. That means for the next hypothetical LAN the seeding data will be barely better than random, and still far worse than any community member/manager could have done for the first non-hypothetical LAN. That also assumes all these 5v5 teams will stay together for many LANs, which won't happen, since we're apparently and completely bizarrely unwilling to seed based on compositions of players we've all known for 7 years.The_Troubadour said:I get that randomization isn't perfect, but as Lust said, it will be used to seed in future tournaments