Native Completed Battle Innovation Tournament [BIT] - SURVEY RESULTS. PAGE 53

[Fehnor]

yey

 

[Lagstro]

Well as some of you may already know, is that I am relatively new to warband, so my ideas and opinions are based on recent events, I have not been in tournaments you have been in, so I have no opinion on those matters. I have been hanging around with a lot of people recently, and listening to what they say about just 1k gold, and the grand majority dislike it, the only exceptions being some Balions, TMW's, and a few people here and there.

I've been in about 15 scrims which used 1k gold, and although they were fun (because scrims are always fun, no matter what you do with them) I imagined them being much more fun and challenging with 1.5k . And hearing bad comments about 1k constantly should give a clue that it isn't REALLY wanted by everyone. In my POV, it doesn't screw up the game, but it doesn't make it any better either, it makes it a little worse. And I simply just see no reason in supporting something that from my perspective will make things worse.

Just for the principle of it, I will not participate in such a tournament because I don't want to see this particular 'innovation' implemented in future tournaments. But that's just me, just me and my stubbornness.

As to my possible tournament, after thinking about it, I will do my best to make it happen, and it will not run at the same time as BIT. I plan on making it happen shortly after BIT is over, so anyone who does plan on participating in BIT can have their minds set on it.

I wish you best of luck, but for my the sake of my own gaming pleasure, I hope people don't fall in love with 1k gold and make me implement it in my tournament 

 

[Mad_Dawg]

Well as some of you may already know, is that I am relatively new to warband, so my ideas and opinions are based on recent events, I have not been in tournaments you have been in, so I have no opinion on those matters. I have been hanging around with a lot of people recently, and listening to what they say about just 1k gold, and the grand majority dislike it, the only exceptions being some Balions, TMW's, and a few people here and there.

I've been in about 15 scrims which used 1k gold, and although they were fun (because scrims are always fun, no matter what you do with them) I imagined them being much more fun and challenging with 1.5k . And hearing bad comments about 1k constantly should give a clue that it isn't REALLY wanted by everyone. In my POV, it doesn't screw up the game, but it doesn't make it any better either, it makes it a little worse. And I simply just see no reason in supporting something that from my perspective will make things worse.

Just for the principle of it, I will not participate in such a tournament because I don't want to see this particular 'innovation' implemented in future tournaments. But that's just me, just me and my stubbornness.

As to my possible tournament, after thinking about it, I will do my best to make it happen, and it will not run at the same time as BIT. I plan on making it happen shortly after BIT is over, so anyone who does plan on participating in BIT can have their minds set on it.

I wish you best of luck, but for my the sake of my own gaming pleasure, I hope people don't fall in love with 1k gold and make me implement it in my tournament 

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,246740.0.html

Wrong thread.

 

[ClockWise]

TMW friends, if you wanted in and don't see your name, do not fear. Major big news coming up concerning ANOTHER team.

Team Name: TMW

Captain: Clockwise

Co-Captain: Master Unicorn

Link to Captain's TW profile: http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=49497

Team:

1: Clockwise
2: Rurin
3: Master Unicorn
4: Beowulf661
5: Kherven
6: Maynd
7: Crazyboy11
8: Antonidas
9: Blacktide

10: Kohath
11: Golradir
12:

 

[Wappaw_Pizza42]

Well as some of you may already know, is that I am relatively new to warband, so my ideas and opinions are based on recent events, I have not been in tournaments you have been in, so I have no opinion on those matters. I have been hanging around with a lot of people recently, and listening to what they say about just 1k gold, and the grand majority dislike it, the only exceptions being some Balions, TMW's, and a few people here and there.

I've been in about 15 scrims which used 1k gold, and although they were fun (because scrims are always fun, no matter what you do with them) I imagined them being much more fun and challenging with 1.5k . And hearing bad comments about 1k constantly should give a clue that it isn't REALLY wanted by everyone. In my POV, it doesn't screw up the game, but it doesn't make it any better either, it makes it a little worse. And I simply just see no reason in supporting something that from my perspective will make things worse.

Just for the principle of it, I will not participate in such a tournament because I don't want to see this particular 'innovation' implemented in future tournaments. But that's just me, just me and my stubbornness.

As to my possible tournament, after thinking about it, I will do my best to make it happen, and it will not run at the same time as BIT. I plan on making it happen shortly after BIT is over, so anyone who does plan on participating in BIT can have their minds set on it.

I wish you best of luck, but for my the sake of my own gaming pleasure, I hope people don't fall in love with 1k gold and make me implement it in my tournament 

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,246740.0.html

Wrong thread.

I feel the need to point out that more people voted for 1500 gold US in that thread. I don't understand why you're using it as a reference.

 

[Lagstro]

Well as some of you may already know, is that I am relatively new to warband, so my ideas and opinions are based on recent events, I have not been in tournaments you have been in, so I have no opinion on those matters. I have been hanging around with a lot of people recently, and listening to what they say about just 1k gold, and the grand majority dislike it, the only exceptions being some Balions, TMW's, and a few people here and there.

I've been in about 15 scrims which used 1k gold, and although they were fun (because scrims are always fun, no matter what you do with them) I imagined them being much more fun and challenging with 1.5k . And hearing bad comments about 1k constantly should give a clue that it isn't REALLY wanted by everyone. In my POV, it doesn't screw up the game, but it doesn't make it any better either, it makes it a little worse. And I simply just see no reason in supporting something that from my perspective will make things worse.

Just for the principle of it, I will not participate in such a tournament because I don't want to see this particular 'innovation' implemented in future tournaments. But that's just me, just me and my stubbornness.

As to my possible tournament, after thinking about it, I will do my best to make it happen, and it will not run at the same time as BIT. I plan on making it happen shortly after BIT is over, so anyone who does plan on participating in BIT can have their minds set on it.

I wish you best of luck, but for my the sake of my own gaming pleasure, I hope people don't fall in love with 1k gold and make me implement it in my tournament 

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,246740.0.html

Wrong thread.

I would be interested in a reset of that poll, now that people have actually played on 1000 gold, they can make a better vote towards it, even I chose 1000 before because I thought it was interesting, until I actually played with it and didn't like it as much as 1500 gold.

 

[Catholic]

Nobody's actually played 1000g on a competitive level.

That's the entire point of this tournament.

People will vote for what they're most familiar with. BIT is not a popularity contest. If you want to try innovation, if you want to try something new and see how it works, that's what this tournament is for. If 1000g ends up sucking, that's wonderful. Then we have some actual data for the future.

For the record, after the tournament I will shoot all the team captains a PM asking about their full, in-depth opinions about 1000g vs. 1500g. I will then collect that information for BIT season 2 or Lag's tournament if that still happens and hope that the general consensus influences the future. Instead of having theoretical scenarios and having each clan claim "Oh I played 4 matches on x gold setting and it was wonderful/horrible/bad" we'll have a standardized idea of the general consensus on competitive playing grounds with a good amount of exposure.

If you're curious about progress, BIT appears to be headed for a minimum 7 hoping for 8-9 signups. We'll start this Sunday and kick ass and have fun and whatnot. Continue signing up teams, we have 4 and tomorrow we'll have more. It even rhymes.

 

[Mad_Dawg]

Well as some of you may already know, is that I am relatively new to warband, so my ideas and opinions are based on recent events, I have not been in tournaments you have been in, so I have no opinion on those matters. I have been hanging around with a lot of people recently, and listening to what they say about just 1k gold, and the grand majority dislike it, the only exceptions being some Balions, TMW's, and a few people here and there.

I've been in about 15 scrims which used 1k gold, and although they were fun (because scrims are always fun, no matter what you do with them) I imagined them being much more fun and challenging with 1.5k . And hearing bad comments about 1k constantly should give a clue that it isn't REALLY wanted by everyone. In my POV, it doesn't screw up the game, but it doesn't make it any better either, it makes it a little worse. And I simply just see no reason in supporting something that from my perspective will make things worse.

Just for the principle of it, I will not participate in such a tournament because I don't want to see this particular 'innovation' implemented in future tournaments. But that's just me, just me and my stubbornness.

As to my possible tournament, after thinking about it, I will do my best to make it happen, and it will not run at the same time as BIT. I plan on making it happen shortly after BIT is over, so anyone who does plan on participating in BIT can have their minds set on it.

I wish you best of luck, but for my the sake of my own gaming pleasure, I hope people don't fall in love with 1k gold and make me implement it in my tournament 

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,246740.0.html

Wrong thread.

I feel the need to point out that more people voted for 1500 gold US in that thread. I don't understand why you're using it as a reference.

The opinion and how he feels about it goes there.  This is a tournament thread.

 

[SirTristan]

Name: Duke
NA or EU?: na
Taleworlds/Steam Contact Info: Click on me, duh. name is Duke on steam, duh

 

[Juve]

This tournament has both Ron Burgundy and Ron of Burgundy. This could get interesting.

 

[KissMyAxe]

It has come to our attention that there are a few individuals that would like to participate in the tournament as a part of a team, but cannot find one. I'd recommend them to register as mercenaries (a sign-up post template is in this post) and indicate that you would like a spot on a team, if possible. Among the individuals that have registered already, I know that Balion_Core (TaleWorlds ID Core11) is interested in joining an existing or prospective team.

Conversely, I'm aware of a few prospective that don't have enough players to register. I would advise those teams to check out the mercenary list and contact the mercenaries regarding joining the teams. Additionally, making a post on this thread calling for players to join your team might be helpful.

 

[BinaryAznMon]

This tournament has both Ron Burgundy and Ron of Burgundy. This could get interesting.

OURS IS BETTA

 

[Nevino]

Name:Nevino
NA or EU?: NA
Taleworlds/Steam Contact Info:steam is nevino1

 

[Green Knight]

The opinion and how he feels about it goes there.  This is a tournament thread.

Can we not discuss the tourney rules in the tournament thread? For the record, I think 1k gold makes ranged units OP. We (Wappaw) are making a team despite not liking that rule. Pizza is right when he says there are no Wappaws who advocate for 1k. That being said, Eternal's doing the work here (and I agree, it is a lot of work and BS you have to deal with) and because I want to play, I'll submit to rules that I may not particularly like. I just wanted to clear up any confusion as my name was thrown around a page ago with respect to this argument. So here's my opinion firsthand.

Prediction: Spamming ranged is gonna work out well for most teams in this tourney. Extended and intense melees are going to become rarer.

I'm not trying to open up the argument. (Flogging a dead horse, etc.)


Cheers,

Green

 

[Prisoner24601]

Name: GK_L_Prisoner
NA/EU:  NA
Taleworlds/Steam Contact: Here  Don't have steam

 

[KissMyAxe]

Can we not discuss the tourney rules in the tournament thread?

Yes you can, but it wouldn't be very constructive. There is a thread on the optimal starting gold amount for competitive play which Mad Dawg has already referred you to. My personal decision to back and develop a tournament with 1000 starting gold was heavily influenced by some of the better presented arguments in that thread. So, if you really want to contribute to the discussion and trying to understand the best gold amount I'd think that posting in that thread would have more impact.

And with all due respect, do you really think we would start changing one of the cornerstone rules of this tournament 3 days before it's due to start because Wappaw oppose it? Not that I don't think that Wappaw is a major part of the community, but the rules weren't just made up: we wouldn't have the current ruleset if we didn't have enough reasons to believe they would be successful and have support from the community.

Prediction: Spamming ranged is gonna work out well for most teams in this tourney. Extended and intense melees are going to become rarer.

Good. This is a start of a sane argument and trying to understand what settings lead to balanced competitive play. But how do we validate or refute your prediction? It's got to be stated as something we could quantify (numbers don't lie). The statistics that Marnid has compiled at the end of the first season of NASTe are a good first step: here's a high-level analysis of the stats that says that archers had the worst K ratio of all classes. Although, I think it's flawed because it basically assigns players their typical roles/classes with no regard to the fact that many players can and do play as two or three different classes depending on the situation and on the caller's demands (Marnid, please, forgive me if I'm wrong in that respect, and clarify if you have a different opinion). And, as they say in Balion, K ratios are not a reliable indicator of player's value (although, Angus might disagree with me on that ).

This tournament is, in part, a vehicle for collecting more data-points on 1000 gold which hasn't been used that much in competitive play in North America. I'd like to hear suggestions on how we judge the degree of class balance with 1000 gold that relies on hard data -- not pure hand-waving. If teams and/or individual players could submit detailed statistics showing their kills and deaths as different classes, that would be helpful. However, I believe only very few people -- if any -- could be bothered with that.

Alternatively, it should be feasible to modify the server-side module to collect and retain such statistics and still be Native/ENL compatible. However, it's probably not a feasible goal given the short time until the start of the tournament.

 

[Green Knight]

And with all due respect, do you really think we would start changing one of the cornerstone rules of this tournament 3 days before it's due to start because Wappaw oppose it?

No. Not sure where you got that idea.

Sorry, I thought it was clear I was stating my opinion and not trying to open up the argument. My name was referenced by other people in this argument (a few pages back), I wanted to make sure my stance was clear.

That is all.

 

[KissMyAxe]

And with all due respect, do you really think we would start changing one of the cornerstone rules of this tournament 3 days before it's due to start because Wappaw oppose it?

No. Not sure where you got that idea.

I'm sorry, I was just trying to make sense of your post and the message behind it. I'd like to reiterate that I do have respect for Wappaw and you and Pizza personally.

Sorry, I thought it was clear I was stating my opinion and not trying to open up the argument.

Yes, that was clear from your post. That said, myself I welcome solid arguments for and against different starting gold amounts (as well as other rules). And I would welcome suggestions on how to make the best out of this tournament (which is held, by many, as a test-bed) to gain a solid understanding of which rules work and which don't.

 

[Green Knight]

The respect is mutual. s'all good.

...I just think that time will tell. This argument is very old at this point and I don't think any opinions are liable to change until we've all played at it for awhile. We've all heard each other. Our roster submission is forthcoming.

 

[Catholic]

The respect is mutual. s'all good.

...I just think that time will tell. This argument is very old at this point and I don't think any opinions are liable to change until we've all played at it for awhile. We've all heard each other. Our roster submission is forthcoming.

Two sides of the same coin, and I've been saying this since Day 1.

I prefer 1000 gold. I've played it in quite a few matches, considered there to be more strategic depth, more options, more tactics, particularly on Random Plains (especially relevant considering how much the NA community loves it). But my personal anecdotal experience doesn't matter much. I want it to be played in a tournament, with extensive competitive edge and then ask at the end to see if thoughts have changed and what exactly works and what doesn't.

Glad to see a Wappaw team soon. Good stuff. TMW 2, GK, Wappaw and wK will make 8 total. Ideal.