We don't know what caused the extreme delays or the feature set downgrade - Taleworlds are very secretive about their development process and the mistakes they've made. So we are left to speculate who is to blame and why.
Speculating is different then calling developers toxic and people who like the game idiots. There are parts of this forum, people who agree with you, that are undoubtedly toxic and bad for this community. This isn't placing the blame entirely on the community, but to deny that an issue exists is to make the issue worse.
Some other company would have avoided most of the flak by better communication. This is not hard, but Taleworlds didn't want to touch it except in the most generic way.
Yeah, TW's lack of communication has added onto this issue, however with how some forum users are, and given what Duh has said in another thread, the toxicity of this forum is not going to help communication only worsen it.
While you can criticize particular features, it's pointless if there's a broader pattern that keeps repeating and the common cause of the problems are actual people.
You can, however it is going to do literally nothing. As for the actual people at TW, patches keep coming and promises features are being added. Modding support is improving. The general state of things at TW seems to be improving.
Maybe we can agree on "shallow" or "wants the watch the world burn".
No, it was toxic. And if he does just want to watch the world burn, then he shouldn't be given a voice when discussing the state of the game. I don't think he does, but anyone who just wants to cause chaos shouldn't be given a platform.
They are ignorant to the facts, true!
No.
To an extent, I don't care about the state of the forums, that is a biproduct of the game itself, which Taleworlds is wholeheartedly in charge of. To say otherwise is clownery. If the game was good, people wouldn't be complaining on the forums. I agree that both TW and the community have a part to play in the state that the forums are in (Moreso the community, since the devs rarely post if ever), but to be honest that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things when you consider the game itself is suffering. It would be nice to have stable forums, it would be better to have a stable game.
Except my entire point has been about toxicity and these forums. Talking about a stable game is nowhere near my point. However, the forums do play a part in ensuring a stable game, as this is where the dialogue about the state of the game will be. If the forums are toxic, then the devs will have literally no reason to listen to the forums.
And if you don't care about the state of the forums, you don't care about the state of the M&B community. Fanning the fires will do nothing but harm.
Whether or not I have been toxic or not does not change me pointing out a fact. Just because you are a murderer doesn't mean you can't be murdered.
A murderer doesn't get to decide whether his fellow group of murderers are actually guilty of murder or not.
As a final point, if you want TW to actually listen to your complaints, don't be toxic. Being toxic, insulting devs and fans alike, will get nothing done but make your voice pointless in the eyes of TW devs. If you want the game to look like how you want it to, it is best to avoid being toxic, as if you don't you'll most likely end up being ignored. The mod letter got the support that it did not just because it was on an important topic, but because the discussion around it was civil and professional, use that as an example as to how to get things done.
