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Bannerlord was a grift
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But can yours go SUPER SAIYAN?!
How's the Grift-Gift war going? Have we broken through the enemy's lines yet?
Yes, we are glitching through their shield wall right as we speak. Their cavalry is charging at us but they have T-Rex swords so we should be alright.
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Ruihan
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66% of people who voted are over 50% disappointed in the game, you seriously over estimate how many people like the game on this forum
Since the private beta people who enjoy the game have been in the minority on this forum, only recently have more lunatics who somehow enjoy it appeared, but still you're in the minority and probably always will be
If you want some buddies you can back pat with and tell each other how much you like the game, reddit is the place
on steam 147,349/168,782 (87%) reviews for this game are positive
and 84% of reviews in the last 30 days are positive
But I guess the 159 people in that poll knows better than the 168,752 people who bought the game and left reviews on steam
Damn normies that havent been around since warband dont know any better
Now imagine if Steam had a rating scale of 1 to 10 (like this poll) - the average would be much less impressive than 87%. It's artificially inflated number with little meaning because of the rules/sucks rating system.
Clueless normies who think they are clever are dropping in here every week and saying "but what about that Steam rating, checkmate haters". At least read the thread about Steam ratings first because we see this simplistic argument all the time.
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A hell of a lot of those reviews have low hours, or, are actually positive "overall", but still full of criticism. Examples:
Positive review from chaellucero, with 4.2 hours played: "I was already a fan gamer for M&b warband when this game came out yup i was overjoy i need to upgrade some spec because this is still Early access so not all are optimized for some spec again aswome game".
Positive review from MikeHuntHurtz, with 10 hours played: "fun game".
Positive review from bigchunk76, with 9 hours played: "fun game".
Positive review from Tink: "Another game that I wish I could put "neutral" on. If you have Warband, you have played Bannerlord. There a few changes, the major changes are obviously the graphics, but as far as bugs go, there are plenty of them. Really if you just want this experience, you can play Warband. Otherwise it would be best to check in a few years from now to see what kind of updates they're making."
Positive review from Khar: "My overall impression is possitive but that doesn't mean there are not a lot of issues with the game.
Game is fun, uniqe and has a very well built combat system. Those are solid wins for the game so it gets a thumbs up.
Sadly, after more than a year of 'early access' my expectations are kinda let down. Needs a lot more features and a good amounth of bug fixes."
Oh **** oh **** I'm getting involved in this thread and I told myself I wouldn't. OK no more posts here from me, unwatching the thread.
Ruihan
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in the poll 16.4% were 100% disappointed so 83.6% were 10 - 90% disappointed (there isnt even an option for 0% dissapointeted but there is one for 100%)
On steam 84% gave a positive review in the last 30 days
So that must mean people who are less than 90% disappointed with game give positive review
while people who are 100% disappointed give negative review since that would equate to roughly the same percentages
sounds about right to me I totally would give a positive score to a game that I am 90% disappointed in
Although to be fair I probably would say Im like 40% disappointed. I'm not here to be a giant simp for the developers and the game does have a lot of issues, but I don't think its fair that the developers are getting so much hate. Lot of them just normal people just trying to do their jobs
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As already said, posts over 100 hours still remain positive. And of course, some contain criticism, you can like a game but still want it to improve. Having some issues with a game won't cause someone to instantly leave a negative review.
Except it has also been shown that this forum doesn't reflect on the M&B community at large. In the post by Orion, the amount of people on this forum is small compared to the rest of the community, and to generalize using Orion's statement a lot of this forum are long term fans for the series, dating back to WB, which is the exact type of person who would be incredibly vocal if they didn't like BL.
As for that, the average for basically every single game would be lower. It wouldn't drop down to 50% and if I had to guess maybe 80-70% given what people think. And that's kinda backed up by the one other review place that I can find, Google reviews. Currently, BL is sitting at a 4.4, translating to 88%, basically what you see on the Steam reviews. There are currently 536 reviews on that site. Of course, you're going to say that it is skewed towards 5 Stars, which is true. However, that will happen on any user review sight, with not many people really going in-depth.
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Ruihan
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I did take a look at the data set of steam game scores from steamdb
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1juJsq1P_f8sdosXF7I-BWDPnjZCqtzzOgUg4KuhxDII/edit?usp=sharing
Out of a data set of 44313 games the average score is 74.8% and the median score is 79%
And that data set is probably skewed by all the 100% rating games with under 10 reviews but if you took those out overall average and median would be even lower
Bannerlord with an overall score of 87% is between the 66-69th percentile of games meaning its better than 2/3 of games on steam by rating
If you going to make the argument that bannerlord was grift then you probably going have to make the argument that the majority of games on steam are grift as well
you can probably say steam as a platform is grift as well if the majority of the products they are selling are grift
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1juJsq1P_f8sdosXF7I-BWDPnjZCqtzzOgUg4KuhxDII/edit?usp=sharing
Out of a data set of 44313 games the average score is 74.8% and the median score is 79%
And that data set is probably skewed by all the 100% rating games with under 10 reviews but if you took those out overall average and median would be even lower
Bannerlord with an overall score of 87% is between the 66-69th percentile of games meaning its better than 2/3 of games on steam by rating
If you going to make the argument that bannerlord was grift then you probably going have to make the argument that the majority of games on steam are grift as well
you can probably say steam as a platform is grift as well if the majority of the products they are selling are grift
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Gandamula
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If this game didn't have such high expectations when it was released it was an exemplary game, I've never played the previous one so I love this one, the problem is that in a hundred different minds there are a hundred different expectations.
I only criticize the fact that we have to use Mods like the Party Screen enchangemt to do something as obvious as having the troops sorted by type or rank, and it's not even something that breaks the game.
I only criticize the fact that we have to use Mods like the Party Screen enchangemt to do something as obvious as having the troops sorted by type or rank, and it's not even something that breaks the game.
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It's already been explained to you why steam reviews are a terrible statistic to look at, the game hasn't peaked past 23,000 concurrent players since July 2020, some months averaging as low as 9000, I do not care how many times you parrots want to repeat 'steam reviews good!' just because you heard someone else say it, the fact is those people aren't playing the game
Again nobody was talking about steam, I don't know why you brought it up
I actually agree with you on the Steam reviews myself, although I don't think that the fact that most people like the game implies that it is a good game. I also think that the "Bannerlord was a grift" thing is just ridiculous and I have said as much in this thread. However I am around 100% disappointed in this game, but at the same time I don't blame the developers but rather the management which has been a gigantic cluster**** (I think everyone who has been following the development with attention agrees with me on this point).
I do wish that people were more capable of a nuanced conversation instead of this "Bannerlord is a grift" vs "Bannerlord is a gift" thing which is frankly just childish, but what can you do. It is what it is.
At this point this thread is just a place for people to vent their frustration and that's the main reason why it hasn't been locked I am pretty sure. As others have said the Steam review discussion belongs in another thread but honestly, that's a pretty dead horse to beat at this point. You won't change people's minds.
Ruihan
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Why are steam reviews bad? You brought up some of them dont have enough hours in the game to make an accurate judgement but those can be filter out? Five bucks pointed out their are a handful of joke reviews but having a few joke reviews doesn't invalidate the whole system. I would agree that the binary rating system does lead to higher than normal ratings, but you can still compare rating of games on steam to the rating of other games on steams in relative term, better games will get better ratings most of the time. There are tons of games on steam on that I would consider actual grift or shovelware and the rating on those games reflect that. Most of those games have ratings under 60% positive range and the rating on bannerlord shows its not in the same category as those game.
Why cant I bring this up? Its an open forum isnt it. I'm still sticking to the topic of this thread (bannerlord being grift) and I'm just disagreeing and providing evidence for why I feel that way
Because they're not definite, there are so many different motives and factors that you cannot just look at the base number and think it's conclusive in it's meaning
I don't know man, maybe because the post I replied to was talking about the forum community, hence why I showed a forum poll, if you need a little bit of help here's the comment
I don't really know what steam has to do with what he said or what I said, maybe you're just that insecure that you feel the need to white knight this game at any moment
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