Jeez, people are acting as if both kind words AND TW's sea of money are mandatory obligations lol. This constant sucking up to businesses is nauseating. And people wonder why the income inequality in America is so bad.
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It's not like new mods keep being developed and maintain player interest. Or is it?
I always wondered about this. It's basically conservativism I think, which may be purely psychological (first child etc.).
Maybe it's ideological and the rich men's think tanks in the US do their job in persuading people that they should lower their taxes, love corporations and anyone can get rich only if they tried hard.
Some of those devs even listen to their community and add features that are often requested but weren´t on their roadmap (yes, a lof of EA games have even real roadmaps).
Also they don´t say "it´s technical not possible" when mods proves them wrong
.EA (not the company) can be good if it is used the correct way. Bannerlord EA is more like a paid beta in my opinion. Their vision of the final game was fixed from the beginning of the EA release. I said it before, but we are beta testers and paid to play the beta and to do the testing, which also would have been ok if they were honest in their EA description back then.
There are also games like Stellaris which have done the same despite never being Early Access.
It is a marketing gimmick.
This is exactly what I've been trying to tell people who defend the game, they seem to think that this is not the case no matter how much I try to convince them. Even Phantom said that he wouldn't view the game positively if this was reality and the game we've had is close to the final product.
How in the world can you come to the conclusion that because non-EA titles can dramatically change post release that EA isn't a "real thing" or that it is a "marketing gimmick"? It's ridiculous.
Some of those devs even listen to their community and add features that are often requested but weren´t on their roadmap (yes, a lof of EA games have even real roadmaps).
Also they don´t say "it´s technical not possible" when mods proves them wrong
EA (not the company) can be good if it is used the correct way. Bannerlord EA is more like a paid beta in my opinion. Their vision of the final game was fixed from the beginning of the EA release. I said it before, but we are beta testers and paid to play the beta and to do the testing, which also would have been ok if they were honest in their EA description back then.
Well, if they were honest about what it was, there certainly would be a lot less to complain about. However, since they didn't, and it's early access, they have no excuse and people who defend everything TW does or Bannerlord at this stage be trippin' hard.
You can´t convince them. A lot of players seem to be ok with the state of the EA process and the game overall. Everyone has their own opinion.
I mean, TW made big progress since day 1 from the EA state, but according to their EA description the game should have been already released
. In my opinion, the state of the game as it is right now should have been the state of the game when it was released in EA and then they would have had enough time to listen to "our" feedback/suggestions. Now it´s too late, everything is settled. We can just hope that TW comes up with a big surprise. But I don´t believe in this big surprise and I am ok if they just add what they´ve told us they will and let modders do the rest. Even if it´s wrong, nobody can change it.
But keep this in mind for future TW releases (space game), that´s all we can do.
I wouldn't view the game positively if they released it without the promised features. Once those are added, I'm perfectly fine with the game. The game is fun as-is for me, and I am content to wait for more features. I don't just wanna suck the teat of TW, I also am not just gonna give up all hope.
If issues like siege towers aren't fully fixed by release I'll be annoyed, same with if there isn't any form of the Terrain system. However, the fundamental difference between you and I is that I'm a lil' bit hopeful for the future and I think that TW genuinely wants the best for the series, for pragmatic reasons or not.
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@MostBlunted I don't think that this is it. There is gonna be post-release updates for DLC and the like. TW isn't just gonna send this game out with nothing post-release. Community features will come then, not during EA.
It warms the icy, blackened cockles of my heart to see this thread still going 3 months strong... and 2 months after I'd abandoned the forum, no less!
First they said that promises of specific features were just a marketing gimmick. Then they said expectations that the EA version would be broadly functional were just a marketing gimmick. Then they said that having a modding community at all (!!!) was just a marketing gimmick. Now the idea that EA itself could be used to actually improve the game is a marketing gimmick.
In a few months, they'll say that post-launch patching is just a marketing gimmick. In a year, they'll be saying that releasing BL at all was just a marketing gimmick and the REAL game is the upcoming MB3.
Not saying all of the above applies to @Apocal, but I've seen enough of this mentality to be tired of it. Until BL dropped like a decomposing corpse onto Steam, nobody was saying that EA is always a pointless marketing gimmick. Whether or not every dev lived up to the promise of EA, the entire point of EA has always been to get hardcore fans to help guide and improve and fund further substantive development - not tweak sheep textures.
This is obsessive fandom + sunk cost fallacy, usually helped along by neuroatypicality + lack of information.
If TW would ever deliver on half their promises for BL, it would instantly be my favorite game of all time. No question. Unfortunately for me, I know better than to have any faith in that possibility. For those who don't know better, realizing that years of money and love and hope went into a black hole of corporate death is an incredibly difficult process.
When an intellectual property becomes a part of your identity as an individual, it's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the corporation which manages that IP is practically family to you and that any criticism is a mortal threat to the can-do corporate morale necessary to ensure that IP keeps flowing.
If you take it as an article of religious faith that this game is going to come down from heaven on a glorious chariot of fire, even the most implausible chain of events which would result in that outcome becomes prophetic gospel truth. With a mindset like that, even the most left-wing gamer will start sounding like the alien love-child of Ayn Rand and Charles Koch.
Yep. TW keeps failing and TW defenders keep moving the goalposts.
First they said that promises of specific features were just a marketing gimmick. Then they said expectations that the EA version would be broadly functional were just a marketing gimmick. Then they said that having a modding community at all (!!!) was just a marketing gimmick. Now the idea that EA itself could be used to actually improve the game is a marketing gimmick.
In a few months, they'll say that post-launch patching is just a marketing gimmick. In a year, they'll be saying that releasing BL at all was just a marketing gimmick and the REAL game is the upcoming MB3.
Not saying all of the above applies to @Apocal, but I've seen enough of this mentality to be tired of it. Until BL dropped like a decomposing corpse onto Steam, nobody was saying that EA is always a pointless marketing gimmick. Whether or not every dev lived up to the promise of EA, the entire point of EA has always been to get hardcore fans to help guide and improve and fund further substantive development - not tweak sheep textures.
As I've mentioned to you before, I'm a legit American right-wing activist IRL and nope nope nope... you can't pin this on us ?
This is obsessive fandom + sunk cost fallacy, usually helped along by neuroatypicality + lack of information.
If TW would ever deliver on half their promises for BL, it would instantly be my favorite game of all time. No question. Unfortunately for me, I know better than to have any faith in that possibility. For those who don't know better, realizing that years of money and love and hope went into a black hole of corporate death is an incredibly difficult process.
When an intellectual property becomes a part of your identity as an individual, it's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the corporation which manages that IP is practically family to you and that any criticism is a mortal threat to the can-do corporate morale necessary to ensure that IP keeps flowing.
If you take it as an article of religious faith that this game is going to come down from heaven on a glorious chariot of fire, even the most implausible chain of events which would result in that outcome becomes prophetic gospel truth. With a mindset like that, even the most left-wing gamer will start sounding like the alien love-child of Ayn Rand and Charles Koch.
And here comes my case in point! The complete game shall come Soon (tm) regardless of reality because the prophecy is true. Don't ever change, Phantom.
The complete game is essentially there, minus terrain and the other promised features. Post-release will be adding further features if anything. The game is fine as is, but it could be better.
That's some interesting analysis. Emotional attachments make people believe all kinds of things.
Robots would never fall for this. No robot ever praised Bannerlord's EA and that's all the proof you need.
If the AI in BL developed sentience today, I guarantee you that most infantry would come to religiously believe that sieges and spears will be fixed tomorrow. If your entire identity revolved around a promise made to you... wouldn't you be desperate to believe that it would be kept? ?
ROFL saytheline.jpg ?
Do sieges work yet? Do spears work yet? Do personality traits work yet? Does skill leveling work yet? Do the settlement economy mechanics work yet?
I just spent a few minutes scrolling the latest posts and it looks like none of that has budged since I left.
Sieges are getting continuous work, and from what I've seen spears seem to be working, although not perfectly. Work is being done on these parts of the game, and it isn't like TW is just doing nothing.
And I will say, again, that even without this functioning perfectly the game is still fun to play for me. I enjoy the time that I spend in BL. Games take a while to be complete, and as said earlier in this never really are. TW is going to keep working on this game until they move onto another project, and they have it in their best interests to leave it on a good note, which it is already on the path towards.
Everybody has an emotional attachment to the game, that's why they post on the forum. Some people have bigger ones than others. As for me, I'm fine to wait for the game to be complete, however long that takes. It is literally all that I can do until then. And the people who tend to disagree with you aren't just doing it out of brand loyalty, maybe they just disagree with you. Labeling the entire "other side" as something, be it TW simps or BL doomers does nothing. It takes valid points that both sides do have and throw them out the window.
You need to give a reason why you disagree, saying "I just disagree with you" is not an argument. It is just clownery.
Because there are no rules about what EA even is or should offer to players but it is a shield against getting absolutely demolished in reviews for missing/incomplete features, rampant bugs, poor balancing and a severe lack of polish. And honestly, it is used that way more often than "hey come help me fix up my game."
The last few EAs I did before Bannerlord were glorified server architecture (edit: and game system) stress tests and nothing more. I had more input as a closed beta tester (and to be clear, I didn't have much) than I did in almost any EA title I've played. The only exception is Armored Commander II, which has one (1) dev and a community of less than a hundred people
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True. It's a fact.
What? I’m not about to argue for 12 pages if i disagree with you or not.
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